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Mr Puggsly said:
Pemalite said:

Rhetoric of "Government is shit at doing anything" is part of the reason why Universal healthcare can not and will never become "good" in the United States.

To many opponents rather than everyone putting their big-boy pants on and getting on with the job.

Again, look who is in power and their rhetoric. But when they got power, their attitudes towards a lot of things changed.

What more would you like people to do? Would you like to see citizens burning down cities to get free healthcare? Well I got news for you, people are already doing that to end racism.

What I'm trying to tell you is the people deemed opponents of socializing healthcare or lowering costs are not in power. Part of the reason many voted for liberals is to "fix" healthcare. But now even our liberal media is admitting the people in power are full of shit because clearly they cater to others. Trillions of dollars being thrown around and I am not seeing anything that really benefits me or will lower my bills. Cost of living is going up though, so great!

Doesn't matter.
If you have political parties who are against (It's irrelevant who is actually in power) and a large swathe of the populace like yourself who constantly criticize anything about "Government intervention" then things won't change, it adds additional roadblocks to improvements and progress because "votes".
In short you are part of the problem.

It also doesn't help that the USA had 4~ years of failure by a conservative government which rolled back some progressive improvements... Because contrary to popular belief, Universal Healthcare generally doesn't happen overnight, it takes allot of systemic changes and legislation that can span decades.

Mr Puggsly said:

Healthcare can be profitable without being so expensive. I mean its why a procedure can vary wildly simply depending where you go. Insurance is also a big reason healthcare costs can be so high, they will charge thousands to your insurance for a simple procedure. I think the entire country at the very least agrees healthcare should be more affordable, but we don't even move in that direction.

You know literally nothing about libertarianism. I am not an anarchist. Also, never believe anything Cuba wants you to believe.

You are needlessly defending socialized healthcare. I am not attacking socialized healthcare. However, its not a perfect system given many people still opt for private healthcare in many countries even when the social option is available. At least if they can afford the better healthcare option.

Health care, human lives, should never be about profits.

You want your healthcare to reach a point where the word "insurance" isn't even used.



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