Non-Americans Stunned By American Health Care Costs

[Eagle367]

Mr Puggsly said:

Eagle367 said:

Nope! The big reason it's inefficient and expensive is because of private healthcare and convoluted systems that are only made for profit and not for healthcare and thus cause a lot in administrative costs. The other developed countries with more streamlined systems are cheaper and the ones with single payer are the cheapest and the ones with nationalized healthcare are even cheaper. The government does do them well. When the NHS was only public and properly funded (Before the Tories), it was the best system in the world. M4A would cost less than the current US system. Look at Cuba's system currently. Netherlands, Finland, etc. The government does healthcare well and "free market" is just an illusion it's just who is regulated and how. 

The private healthcare system is the most inefficient way to deliver healthcare in the history of humanity because profit is primary and healthcare is secondary and that bloats up cost. It's also why no country that has gone single payer has ever come back nor has any party tried to run a campaign on bringing it back to an archaic system. It just works. It's been proven in many countries in many situations and it just works. It's cheaper, better and more efficient. Of course a corrupt government can ruin anything like how Tories are ruining the NHS. But man, libertarianism(The US one, not the capital L one) is so stupid in my opinion. It just doesn't work in a village with thousands of people let alone a country with millions. Government isn't bad, it's who the government works for that determines whether government is good or bad. US government works for it's oligarchs and that's what makes it bad. Government by it's nature is necessary to manage huge groups of people.

Healthcare can be profitable without being so expensive. I mean its why a procedure can vary wildly simply depending where you go. Insurance is also a big reason healthcare costs can be so high, they will charge thousands to your insurance for a simple procedure. I think the entire country at the very least agrees healthcare should be more affordable, but we don't even move in that direction.

You know literally nothing about libertarianism. I am not an anarchist. Also, never believe anything Cuba wants you to believe.

You are needlessly defending socialized healthcare. I am not attacking socialized healthcare. However, its not a perfect system given many people still opt for private healthcare in many countries even when the social option is available. At least if they can afford the better healthcare option.

Oh wow, propaganda against Cuba. Shows you really are an American. Also, there should be no profit motive when it comes to human rights and healthcare is a human right. You shouldn't even be asking "Can I make a profit off of healthcare?" Because even asking that question leads you down the wrong path. And it's not "the better option" it's just rich people who don't care how much money they can throw at a problem to get special treatment. Sorry but government itself isn't bad, taxation on it's own isn't bad either,

Also you are saying the people in power support universal healthcare when that is a lie. Biden said he would veto it, Harris pretended to support it by backed down and a lot of Democrats don't support it and many of them get donations from health insurance companies. Bernie Sanders isn't in power mate, so your initial assumption is wrong to begin with. But any healthcare system where the primary motive is profit will fail. It will make profits for sure, but it'll fail at actual healthcare. The people in power don't want universal healthcare and want to keep making profits for the healthcare industry. That's the issue. The issue is the oligarchy, not the government. The government serving the oligarchy is certainly an issue but the root cause of that is a system that treats wealthy people like the aristocrats of old and thinks having money means your opinion is more valid. 

The issue is listening to idiots like Bill Gates, Elon Musk, etc instead of actual experts. For example bill Gates ruined the vaccine distribution of the world by throwing his force behind the pharmaceutical companies and protecting their patents. Stuff like that is the issue. I guarantee you once US gets universal healthcare, the people will never wanna go back.