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Mr Puggsly said:
Pemalite said:

Never paid for a single doctors visit, medical/physical checkup, vaccine, medication. etc' in my entire 35~ year life.

Universal healthcare is absolutely awesome, Americans are being conned... And it will *never* change while you have people screeching "socialism" left, right and center.

Dude, the people that talk about giving free heathcare or REALLY entertain lowering the costs are in power.

At some point you have to consider asking what's actually going on that prevents healthcare from changing in this country. Maybe its corruption, maybe the politicians have interests that aren't the people?

This is partly why I am a libertarian, there is little we can point to that our government actually does well. I certainly can't point to much where government plays a big role and it works well. If it does work fairly well, its often extremely inefficient/expensive. Our healthcare is not the free market people think it is either, its heavily regulated by government and that is a big reason prices stay high.

Nope! The big reason it's inefficient and expensive is because of private healthcare and convoluted systems that are only made for profit and not for healthcare and thus cause a lot in administrative costs. The other developed countries with more streamlined systems are cheaper and the ones with single payer are the cheapest and the ones with nationalized healthcare are even cheaper. The government does do them well. When the NHS was only public and properly funded (Before the Tories), it was the best system in the world. M4A would cost less than the current US system. Look at Cuba's system currently. Netherlands, Finland, etc. The government does healthcare well and "free market" is just an illusion it's just who is regulated and how. 

The private healthcare system is the most inefficient way to deliver healthcare in the history of humanity because profit is primary and healthcare is secondary and that bloats up cost. It's also why no country that has gone single payer has ever come back nor has any party tried to run a campaign on bringing it back to an archaic system. It just works. It's been proven in many countries in many situations and it just works. It's cheaper, better and more efficient. Of course a corrupt government can ruin anything like how Tories are ruining the NHS. But man, libertarianism(The US one, not the capital L one) is so stupid in my opinion. It just doesn't work in a village with thousands of people let alone a country with millions. Government isn't bad, it's who the government works for that determines whether government is good or bad. US government works for it's oligarchs and that's what makes it bad. Government by it's nature is necessary to manage huge groups of people.

Just a guy who doesn't want to be bored. Also