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Captain_Yuri said:

Yea in a lot of ways, this is Intel's Bulldozer moment. Their i9s and i7s are slower than AMD 5900x and 5800x. Their 8 core 16 threaded i9 is more expensive than the 12 core 24 threaded 5900x while consuming more power and generating more heat than the 5900x. And in some games and workloads, the i9 10900k can beat the i9 11900k thanks to it's additional 2 cores and 4 threads.

The only one anyone can recommend is the i5 but then when you consider you would need a more expensive Z series motherboard to overclock it compared to a B series on AMD which can overclock the Ryzen 5 just fine, the value goes down. Not to mention the 10 series i7s, i5s and i9s have been going on crazy sales if you are looking for the best bang/buck gaming build.

Crazy times guys. You know it's fucked for Intel when Nvidia is using AMD CPUs in their gaming benchmarks to show improvements! 2021 is the year of Ryzen as Alderlake won't be out until Q4.

I would say Skylake is as a whole Intel's Bulldozer. I mean, AMD also spent years on the exact same platform (outside of the APUs) with little evolution. What Rocket Lake is is not their Bulldozer, but their Centurion.

Speaking of which, nobody got one lying around at home? I would love to see some comparisons of thermals and power draw between the RL i9 and the Centurion.

I don't think I'd go that far. The problem with Bulldozer wasn't that it had little evolution. The problem with Bulldozer is that it had the wrong type of evolution. Those cores were so potato that in certain cases, even the Phenom II CPUs from the previous gen could beat Bulldozer in certain tasks and games while Intel was on another league. Not to mention the power that Bulldozer needed. Skylake was little evolution sure but it didn't do anything wrong to that extent and it held it's own in gaming and various work loads against Ryzen in the consumer space.

The thing that makes Rocket Lake Intel's Bulldozer moment is that it is the wrong type of evolution. Going from 10 cores to 8 cores is pretty wtf worthy and the power that the Rocket Lake is able to produce is nuts. We will see how Alder Lake turns out though.