| The_Yoda said: @Pemalite so what is the WiiU tablet? Is that a short range mobile device? Seems kind of like there is no such thing as a hybrid in your mind and that using hybrid is just marketing speak. A hybrid is a mixture of two different things, resulting in something that has a little bit of both — like the rare zedonk, a hybrid of a donkey and a zebra. |
The Tablet doesn't do any localized processing, it streams data from a fixed home console.
It is no different in concept than using remote play on my Xbox to stream Xbox games to my phone, tablet, laptop or PC.
Correct, the definition of a Hybrid is to combine elements of two different things. - But that isn't the Switch. - Video output from mobile devices via docks/HDMI cables has been a thing for literally decades.
Doctor_MG said:
I do not agree that this is a dedicated gaming device. Doing so would not be following the definition of the word dedicated. Dedicated devices are devices whose sole purpose was for one specific function. This is a device that sells itself by being aimed at those who want a tablet and want to game, not those who just want to game. It has multifunctionality absolutely, but adding a controller to a phone or tablet does not make it "dedicated" anymore than allowing a TV to be controlled by a PS3 controller (as some Sony TV's used to be able to) makes it a dedicated gaming console. |
It is absolutely a dedicated gaming device. - Clearly you haven't owned one.
This device is aimed at those who wish to play Android powered games and emulators and it's feature set is built entirely around it.
It even had it's own gaming store.
Doctor_MG said:
For this point, suggesting it was designed as a mobile device first and foremost goes against everything Nintendo has actually said about the product and its development. In this sense, unless you have outside knowledge about Nintendo that no one else knows, I think Nintendo understands their product more than you. In addition, suggesting that the inclusion of mobile hardware causes the console to be a mobile console is a fallacy of composition. I will return to this topic later. |
Nintendo has said allot of stuff. Do you place so much faith in multi-billion dollar companies that you always take their word as gospel?
Remember when Microsoft said that there wouldn't be a remastered Halo 2?
Remember when Sony said that the Vita would be equivalent to the PS3 in terms of visuals?
Remember when Nintendo said that the Nintendo DS would be a "3rd pillar" in their gaming lineup to augment Gamecube and Gameboy Advance and so forth? It replaced gameboy entirely.
Perhaps instead of trying a dogmatic approach to try and undermine myself using "logical fallacies" you should probably think a little more pragmatically.
Not to mention the fallacy of composition is when someone implies that something is true, based on only a small part/aspect. - Which my entire argument is certainly not about... You might need to study up on your fallacies...
Because it is in fact yourself that is using the fallacy of composition where you are taking a single feature (Aka. The small part/aspect - The video output to a display) and asserting that it's a Hybrid (Aka. Implying that is true.).
Doctor_MG said:
The Jaguar architecture was built specifically for low powered mobile units. The "industrial machines" application are for micro-servers. Which, as the nomenclature suggests, are very small and use low power draw. Also, Nintendo used a stock chip to garner more third party support. |
Wrong. Industrial machines are console devices, not micro-servers.
Signage and so forth fall into that category.
| Doctor_MG said: My whole point on variants is that one variants difference in priority doesn't affect the unit as a whole. Just like you consider the Vita TV to be a fixed home console, the Switch Lite IS a portable console. Yet the Vita TV being a fixed home console does not affect the Vita being a mobile gaming device. Similarly, the existence of a Switch Lite is not an argument for why the Switch is only a portable game console. In addition, you have now strayed from your point that mobile hardware constitutes a mobile gaming device. |
This is my argument in a nutshell, thanks for agreeing with me.
You are correct that different variants can be defined differently... Which I have actually done.
I judge each device on it's individual merits.
The Switch lite is a portable console, that it's primary function, design.
The Switch is a portable console with video output functionality, that's it's primary function, design.
The Vita is a portable console, the Vita TV is a home console, that is their primary function and design.
And when I talk about "mobile hardware" I am not just talking about the SoC inside the device, I am talking about every single physical component right down to the buttons. Aka. Hardware. (Which itself is a general term.)
| Doctor_MG said: To start, a "dockable only Switch" WOULD BE the equivalent of a Vita TV, which is what I was alluding to. Secondly, this again defeats your argument about the Switch Lite. You cannot agree that a Switch-TV would be a fixed-home console, yet point to the Switch Lite as proof that the Switch is a portable console. It just does not work. Also, at this point it is clear that the only consistency between your argument that the Switch is a portable device is that it has a screen and it has a battery. In this sense, NO device can ever be hybrid, as to have the portable aspect you would have to have a screen and a battery, correct? At this point, I think that your definition is flawed. I'm purposefully ignoring ergonomics, as I don't think that is worth discussing. If I created a portable console, but it was spiky and awful to hold, that wouldn't discount it from being a portable console. It would just be a crappy one. Ergonomics are only a qualifier for comfortability, and nothing else. |
Nope.
You are twisting my words, try again.
| Doctor_MG said: If I destroyed the disk drive in my PS4 Pro it wouldn't cause all PS4 Pro's to be classified as download only consoles. The feature is obviously key to why it's suggested it is a hybrid, along with detachable controllers, the bulkiness of the device, the boosted clocks it gets when docked, etc. The *intention* for the regular Switch unit is not aimed at just portable play. This is where the corporation communication actually is important. The intention of the device is made up by the company. How it is used by consumers may be different (which, in this case, it really isn't much different at all), but Nintendo is the one who decides what the intention is of the device. |
That wouldn't change the Playstation 4's original design. Nice try conflating two different things though (Hardware failure vs hardware design).
Can you guess what fallacy you just trodden all over? ;)
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