Pemalite said:
HollyGamer said:
You can have your opinion and do a free speech, but a free speech need to have some respect to other religion. In Indonesia we respect every religion although we are different in race , religion etc. You can have your opinion of Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad peace be upon him. But we never mocking other people holly person or God. I believe in free speech, and Muslim and believe in tolerant act . But Macron is not the best person to teach us about tolerant and free speech.
Even Napoleon Bonaparte respect Muhammad and Islam.
Beheading people also is also wrong, but remember both are wrong. And Macron should apologize, the person who beheaded need to be punish and people who mock the prophet need to be punish as well.
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Well. No, free-speech doesn't need to respect any religion.
Free-speech as a construct doesn't care about any individual or religious feelings.
I think we should openly mock religion, religion needs to start proving it's assertions with empirical evidence first before it receives any such protections.
If in VGchart a moderator can ban people if agitating other member does that also applied on free speech, can I slender you or agitating you, or attacking you , does free speech only applied on certain people or group???
religion or faith is matter of life and death for people, I think western society need to learn from Islam, many western people has been revert to Islam
HollyGamer said:
The Cristian problem is Christianity problem, Christian is not even a religion anymore now. Why would a religion need reform, if a religion can be reform than it's not religion by God but by Human. The Cristian should asking them self why would they allow people slandering and mocking Jesus peace be upon him, even Muslim angry when Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Noah and every other Abrahamic prophet are mocked by bad people.
In Islam we are not changing anything because Islam is the religion from God it self. We believe Islam is the religion of Abraham, Jesus and Moses and Noah and the prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.
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Prove your God exists for your religion to be from God itself.
You it self is the prove. Life cannot exist with just some probability. Even our smallest part (DNA) work like an intelligent being on it's own
HollyGamer said:
Also my opinion killing person is bad, i am condemned the person it self self, but like i said this is not just my opinion, If I was the ruler of Islamic country and i let people mocking The prophet than i will let a very big sin slip away . It's a major sin in Islam.
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Again, you would need to prove that God exists for Sin to be real as Sin is a religious invention... A tool to assist people to keep "in line".
a tool exist to keep people behave, and God know this so he teach us .
HollyGamer said:
You can agree or disagree, but in Islam, mocking the prophet is sentence by death of course that if you are mocked the prophet inside Islamic ruled country. This not my opinion but The Qur'an told us to. Like it or not that's the rule of Islam. Again the person who slender or mock the prophet has to be inside Islamic ruled country . If not then , Muslim need to follow the local authority regarding this and be patient.
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Correct. The Law of the Land comes first.
In saying that, sentence to death by being critical of a religion means that religion needs to be removed.
Law of the ruler, but he can be Muslim and follow other country ruler.
HollyGamer said:
In Islam my opinion is useless in front of Allah words and the prophet words, i don't have opinion regarding this because i follow God and the prophet, my opinion are based on Qur'an and the prophet words. So according to god and the prophet yes the person can be punish and killed by the local Islamic ruler.
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The Quran like the Bible is based on the Abrahamic texts that defined the first of the three main religions... Judaism with the Torah.
Allah literal translation is "God" the same God that is in the Torah and Bible.
What makes you think the Quran is correct and the Bible or Torah is incorrect? Faith isn't an acceptable answer, that's just blind indoctrinated belief rather than anything based on tangible evidence, functional models or understanding. In short it's highly fallacious reasoning.
The Torah, Quran and Bible are books written by man, translated and "interpreted (I.E. Meanings changed to suit the day)" to fit a certain narrative, I.E. Homosexuality as a word didn't exist 6,000 years ago, yet are included in these religious texts to various degrees.
Life is valuable, life is finite, so destroying life because it might offend someones indoctrinated beliefs is actually abhorrent and disgusting in my eyes. (Keep in mind we don't even have the death penalty here.)
I think any religion (Including the Bible and Torah) needs to be shut down if it promotes any kind of inequality, hate or death.
Some part of the Torah text has been proven altered, the Original Torah was made by God , but the original Torah are not maintained by the Jew and many Jew has hide some of the text and insert by their own writing to benefit their lust (the same thing with how the church did by altering the bible text ) . The same thing with the bible , Muslim believe in bible but not "Today" bible that even many high priest agree the original text has been lost. Qur'an it self are consisted of the correct version of bible and Torah , God has preserve the original Torah and bible inside Qur'an.
We believe in Qur'an because our Qur'an never been altered , the Qur'an was originally came with Arabic language from God to Muhammad by revelation, and then the prophet asked their companion to write it down to stone, animal skin and date tree and oak (the original stone, and animal skin still exist today and has been proven exist form the day of the prophet ). And then told all companion to memorize it, and in the end of Ramadhan they try to memorize it and preserve it https://onepathnetwork.com/the-history-of-the-preservation-of-the-quran/
Life valuable indeed, and Muslim's believe that, and Islam even Allah said " whoever kill a person ... it shall be as if he has killing all mankind. And I am agree, but of course there is some exception, like A criminal, a dangerous person, or person who live in Islam territory and mocking the prophet. Even in secular country like French they still have death punishment , and Police are allow to kill someone.
Also i condemned the killing of the Frenchman teacher not because I am agree with teacher free speech, but because the person who killed are wrong , the killer should not act by him self, because Muslim need to follow the regulation and rule of the country, even if the country is not defending him he should have let the Police do the Job and be patient. But for death sentence by the Islamic ruler for non Muslim who slender the prophet , i thinks that is another matter.
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