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Captain_Yuri said:

JEMC said:

Navi 21 is the big one, yes, but remember how a few weeks ago there was this rumor that AMD was surprised by the performance of Ampere? If that rumor were true, and with the remarks AMD made when first talking about Big Navi competing with the 2080Ti, then those results could actually be about it.

I hadn't checked the twitter link and the other posts, so I didn't know it was the leaker who mentioned Navi 22 first.

Nvidia really hadn't had other option than price their new cards "low". With the unnusual economic crisis we're going through and the launch of the new consoles, they couldn't price them too high or they would have lost many customers.

The first Navi cards didn't sell great, tue, and I think that part of that was that they were too closely priced to its Nvidia counterparts . Sadly for them, Nvidia has earned the status of being more valuable, so AMD needs to compete not only in performance but also in price.

I hope AMD manages to bring something better performing than the 3070 at the same price, and the same goes for the lower cards, so that they can claw some marketshare back.

While that's true, one of the more reliable leakers, kopite has said

"Thanks, I'll try to describe it, GA104 cannot beat BIG NAVI."

Thanks, I'll try to describe it, GA104 cannot beat BIG NAVI.

— kopite7kimi (@kopite7kimi) August 31, 2020

And

"There is no 3070Ti (or Super) based on GA104 for the time being, because it is not enough for BIG NAVI."

There is no 3070Ti (or Super) based on GA104 for the time being, because it is not enough for BIG NAVI.

— kopite7kimi (@kopite7kimi) August 31, 2020

"It's very expensive to use GA102 competing with BIG NAVI. So NVIDIA may have planned a new chip with a new process and smaller package. Probably called GA103?"

It's very expensive to use GA102 competing with BIG NAVI. So NVIDIA may have planned a new chip with a new process and smaller package. Probably called GA103?

— kopite7kimi (@kopite7kimi) September 6, 2020

Now most of these tweets were prior to Ampere announcement which every single leaker was wrong about the price. As far as I know and I could be wrong but he has yet to mention that Big Navi will actually beat GA102 which is 3080. Which is why I am skeptical of Big Navi actually being able to beat 3080 in Raster + Ray Tracing. But I think there is a very good chance that Navi 21 will beat 3070.

I remember the tweet about GA104 not being able to beat Big Navi. I think it was you who posted it a while ago (or not so long ago, there's been so many news and rumors that it's hard to keep track of when it happened), but I always treat them as rumors never take anyone of them for granted.

Plus there was a tweet that said that all previous Big Navi rumors were false because the chip had just been tapped out.

Anyway, a Big Navi card priced closely, preferably a bit lower, to 3070 with more memory and performing halfway between this card and a 3080 would do wonders for AMD even with sub-par ray tracing and without DLSS. But price will take an important part in its success.

Making a new chip just for that would cost a lot to Nvidia, but they have the mentality to not just win, but to destroy the competition, so I wouldn't be surprised if they do.