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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 12 September 2020
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JEMC said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Speaking of RDNA 2. Big Navi may have gotten benchmarked in Ashes:

[Possible AMD RDNA2 GPU]

MSI Gaming X Trio 2080Ti 74.4 (156.63%)
2080Ti water stock 71.4 (150.31%)
EVGA XC Black 2080Ti stock 64.9 (136.63%)
> AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics 63.9 (134.52%)
MSI Gaming X Trio 2080 stock 54.4 (114.52%)
2070 stock 47.5 (100%)



Personally I don't like when companies use Ashes to benchmark gpus as it's a very cpu related benchmark. Also for those that don't remember, EVGA XC Black was released to hit that $999 MSRP that Nvidia claimed was the MSRP of the 2080Ti which majority of the cards never hit. So the factory clocks in the EVGA XC Black is lower then the Founders Edition cards. But still, assuming it's Navi 22, pretty good so far. Grains of salt until it comes out though!

Why do you think it's Navi 22? For all we know, it can actually be Navi 21, Big Navi, given that some of the rumors we've seen point to to being closer to te 3070/280Ti than the 3080.

That said, Ashes is completely unreliable as a comparing benchmark with so many variables like CPU and RAM taking a part in the final score. And then there's drivers as well.

Captain_Yuri said:

I think if RDNA 2 competes against the 3000 series in Raster but not in ray tracing and no real answer to DLSS, it's gonna flop. During the Pascal days, competing in Raster would have been good enough but the playing field as changed. The future is Ray Tracing proven by how many AAA games are adding Ray Tracing and Big Navi will have a hard time competing against even a 3060 with games that have DLSS.

Now personally, if it can compete against Raster + Ray Tracing + lower price point will mean that it will be good enough for many to skip on DLSS. So it really needs to be fap worthy on Raster + Ray Tracing at the very least. Oh and Drivers need to not be shit this time around.

I don't think it will flop, but it won't set the world in flames either (there are enough of those already in the real world). If it manages to end slightly above the 3070 with more VRAM and an equal or even better price point, it has a chance of selling quite well.

Ray tracing can or can not be a problem with the new cards either. Most games will be console ports that will handle RT with AMD's hardware so anything they can do on consoles, they'll beable to use it on PC as well. Nvidia's solution will probably be prettier and do more, but Navi will still have its fair share of RT.

DLSS may be a problem, but I'll still prefer to run a game in its native resolution than upscaled.

Isn't Navi 21 supposed to be the big daddy? Like the 6800 or something that's supposed to go against the 3080 or at the very least, be much faster than 3070? The main reason I think it's Navi 22 is because the leaker of the benchmark thinks it's Navi 22 a few posts later but granted it's a guess. But it would make sense given all the leaks we gotten in the past week for it to be Navi 22. Plus it wouldn't make any sense to have 80 CU + TSMC 7nm be only as fast as a 2080 Ti since 52 CU on the Series X = 2080 rumoured performance.

Maybe flop is a bit aggressive of a word but considering that Nvidia finally got the prices right, if Big Navi is only a 3070 competitor, then I think their market share will go down even further than before. With the 2000 series, Nvidia felt like they were phoning it in almost being the villain perhaps but with the 3000 series, they feel like they are the heroes around social media. RTG needs to show that they can do better imo.



                  

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