Attitudes 100 years since women's suffrage

[JWeinCom]

Farsala said:

JWeinCom said:

When I asked for evidence I wasn't looking for a yes or no, but for the actual evidence. Lol.

I take questions literally.

Here is a study that compiles other more legit studies.

https://www.academia.edu/27607213/Happiness_and_Life_Satisfaction_in_Japan_by_Gender

Some quotes to reinforce my point.

"

The World Value Survey data show for example that Japan (20.8%) ranks together with Bangladesh (16.5%), Iran (22.7%), the Philippines (15.5%), Saudi Arabia (8.6%) and Morocco (7.9%) among the lowest countries regarding “norms on gender inequality

”

"Tiefenbach and Kohlbacher (2013), however, find a coefficient of 0.45 (on a scale from 0-10) that lends further evidence to both, the universal finding that women are happier than men and to the country specific result that the gender gap in happiness is rather big in Japan compared to other countries"

So in terms of gender equality Japan is close to countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia. In terms of happiness though, women win by larger degree than most countries.

Torillian said:

Given how great it is to stay home, clean, and take care of kids when are you planning to transition to a house husband/dad? 

I would like that, as I love kids and staying home. But I don't have a spouse or kids. I have taken extended breaks from work to stay at home though when needed. Either way in this country it wouldn't work due to the aforementioned gender pay gap and biases.

Thanks for the study. It's interesting. But it, so far as I can see, doesn't address the possibility that women are generally happier than men (which doesn't seem to be the case in the US at least but may be the case generally). Or the possibility that men in Japan are extra miserable for some reason, and you can close the gap without women being less happy.

More significantly, is collective happiness the ultimate objective? For instance, if we had slavery in this country, but slavery was made in such a way that the slaves would were generally happier than the non slaves would that justify slavery? I personally think the freedom for each person to pursue the life they choose is more important than average happiness.

vivster said:

WolfpackN64 said:

Sometimes you need to aknowledge differences between groups and treat people differently for them to in fact be treated equally. Removing the two genders solves nothing.

The only meaningful difference between men and women in today's society is how they are brought up, which has everything to do with their gender. If there was no gender, then feminine or masculine traits would not exist, hence nobody would discriminate based on them. Women are treated differently because people are taught to believe that they are different. People expect different behavior from different genders and that is the core of the problem.

If you remove gender, people will be treated based on their actual behavior and not their expected behavior because there is no expected behavior. Separating genders has no basis in reality anymore and should be abolished. You cannot discriminate based on gender when gender doesn't exist.

Differences are important on a physiological level, not on a psychological level, gender discrimination happens only on the basis of the latter.

There are other meaningful differences. Simplifying things to two sexes(which is not accurate but a necessary fiction for the sake of such conversations), women and men have different brain structure, different hormone levels, and different anatomy. 

Just for instance, suppose I run a football stadium and decide to do away with gendered bathrooms. The bathrooms I do have each have 20 urinals and five bathroom stalls. This would be a situation that is theoretically equal (everyone has access to the same bathrooms), but one group's needs are not being met.