What's morally acceptable to you?

[OhNoYouDont]

Pyro as Bill said:

OhNoYouDont said:

I still do not see any definition.

You continue to use the term baby yet refuse to define what you mean when you say baby which is the source of your confusion and mine. Without a definition I cannot address anything that you say referring to the term baby because I have no idea what you mean when you say that word.

So you now are agreeing that a fetus is different than a baby, although you offer no definition for either term so I have no way of knowing if this corresponds in any way to the standard concepts.

A fetus is just a meat sack, its parts do not cause me any mental strife. Same reaction to pulling the plug on someone who is brain dead. If they are sufficiently developed, they may have brain function but mere brain function does not constitute being a person which entails consciousness. Imagine never being born, it's not a terrible thing. 

People act like when you die you retain your memories and persist, but that's just naive. When you die, it'll be just like before you were born. Nothingness. Not good, not bad, just nothing. Ignorance is bliss as they say. 

So defining a 9 month old fetus/unborn child/-1 day old baby as a baby is an incorrect definition but egg, grape and meat sack are cool?

Are you sure you're not confusing the definition of fetus with embryo?

A -1 day old baby most definitely has consciousness.

One of the reasons why late stage abortions are so rare is because doctors don't want to risk a murder charge when the baby survives the abortion and the law won't recognise 'fetus survival' as being any different than regular childbirth.

That's a highly controversial statement, but I was not talking about babies as I used the term fetus...so I really have no idea why you brought up babies at all. On the off chance that you are confused and referring to a 1 day old fetus as conscious, then you are in dire need of some education.

"The preterm infant, ex utero, may open its eyes and establish minimal eye contact with its mother. It also shows avoidance reactions to harmful stimuli. However, the thalamocortical connections are not yet fully established, which is why it can only reach a minimal level of consciousness."

source: https://www.nature.com/articles/pr200950

"consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the 24th and 28th week of gestation. Roughly two months later synchrony of the electroencephalographic (EEG) rhythm across both cortical hemispheres signals the onset of global neuronal integration. Thus, many of the circuit elements necessary for consciousness are in place by the third trimester. By this time, preterm infants can survive outside the womb under proper medical care."

source: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-does-consciousness-arise/