Brexit

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EnricoPallazzo said:

- EU started as an economic bloc and with time became a political bloc. When people voted to join EU back in early 70's (if Im not wrong) it was to join an economic bloc which is absolutely amazing and definitely (almost) nobody would be against it. With time the integration just became more complex, it transformed into a political bloc with almost no power to each country population to make any change on it. Yes there is a parliament but even if, let's say, evil conservatives in england elected 100% of the british representatives in EU parliament, well there is nothing you can achieve, it's just a couple of votes. With time that leads to even grater insanities such as creating an EU army and fiscal union (which will need to happen to keep euro alive).

the political union is meant as a complement extension to the economic union, and gave a big boost to things like human rights and the environment, gave to Europe a stand against US, Russia, China that individual countries could never achieve, plus fast-track growth to East Europe countries, co-operation in things such as technological advancements and funding multi-country projects that would be too much of a waste otherwise etc etc.... I don't say none of this wouldn't be possible without, but if we want to optimize time, money and resources, it is definitely worth it as far

- Since british people have no say in EU decisions, or at least almost no say since it is just a couple of votes, that leads to creation of several rules and regulations and laws that well you just need to suck it up and accept it, like for example the fishing quotas or environmental regulations that the british people may not agree with and need to follow anyway.

fishing is 0.1% of UK GDP, why the obsession

- Inclusion of a lot of countries in the EU that not necessarily were properly prepared for it or that have a very different cultural and economical approach

agree, Poland for example should have waited a bit more, Greece and Italy should have never entered the Euro due to corruption :/

- And last but not least the real reason for brexit but it cannot be mentioned by british people as they will be shamed, immigration. I dont wanna go on this subject but it definitely is a problem in britain especally with the huge mass immigration that happened in the country. While most left leaning people dont care and actually support mass immigration, there is a lot of people that thinks there should be a limit to it and that despite the economical growth in GDP it brings, it also creates a lot of cultural problems and a strain in infrastructure. Immigration wasnt a huge issue in Britain during the 80's and 90's but once you start to have 500k people arriving per year and even reaching 700k in one year, well a lot of people thinks the problem must be discussed. And since the problem cannot be discussed the only place where you can safely give your opinion besides the pub or the dinner table, will be the ballot box.

thank you, the referendum took place at the peak of the migrant crisis which gave it a good enough boost, combined with the Leavers presenting the EU as the evil dictatorship that ruled everything and where all the bad was coming from, but all good was Britain, it is normal that people would vote for this

Brexit facebook ad, despite the UK always being Turkey's traditional supporter and ally

ironic when you think Boris's 'global Britain', bye to EU people of similar culture, welcome people from very different cultures, many of who will not integrate into the UK society at all, but rather join their already closed and growing societies instead....

- Then you have the elections and the campaign with SO MANY LIES from both sides, the shaming of everybody that did not agree with the Guardian, the ridculous approach on BBC and iTV of always bringing to the discussion from the conservative side a very stupid person to give the impression the conservatives are ignorant and racist, and all the projections and predictions about the economy that just didnt make any sense at all, totally project fear. As if britan would not survive outside EU, like if britain could not be just a regular country like many other first world countries. Predictions that just didnt happen, and now stay supporters are just creating more updated predictions that really cannot be trusted at all. And in the end the left always defend that economic growth should not be the end game of all decision but that is exactly what the left did with brexit. And it didnt happen, why should why believe it will happen this time. How can I trust the predictions, the people that makes the predictions, how do I know if they are considering everything necessary in the calculations, considering not only risks but also opportunities? Once you loose trust it is really difficult to get it back.

Remainer predictions were almost assuming a no-deal the next day of the result, very unrealistic, they used the scare tactic which is psychologically expected to work, bad tactic for this kind of matter

I get the impression the EU was rarely promoted to the public in the long term, that UK politicians always presented everything good as their own accomplishment, and blamed everything bad to the EU

- After the voting, the british had ALL THE CHANCES to stay in EU in an unofficial way through Theresa May deal. She could not get the votes as the tories were tore in two, but labour could have accepted it. They could have voted with May. The deal was AMAZING for those who voted to stay. All Karl Marx Corbyn wanted was power and another election. Time and time again they could have helped and put the interests of those who voted to stay in first place but no. In the end he got the election he wanted and well, the results were not good. For him.

truly sad, you can also blame the morons Jo Swinson and N. Sturgeon for this, Leave parties were smart and united and won the election by 80 seats despite 53% of the public voting for 2nd ref./Remain parties... such broken politics

sometimes I understand Britain's decision, they know something's not right but they are doing it wrong, I am a big EU supporter and a big critic, in general I get the impression that the UK is blaming all side-effects of globalization onto the EU

the way things have come to now, I prefer a no-deal just to end the matter for good, UK has become a toxic parasite for the EU, better to detach it completely and hurt now, rather than having it undermine EU laws and unity all along in the future


p.s. I find it sick how many Brexit nationalist maniacs are waiting for the EU to break up and they are sure about it, they think the world revolves around the UK, such selfishness and misery, they will probably get old waiting :S

added some of my views in bold :P