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Pyro as Bill said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

I live in UK so I know very well what is going on. I dont think brexit was a good idea. Its funny how people infer so many thing about you opinion even when you do not provide one. We had predictions for pre brexit and post brexit. The pre brexit predictions were mostly wrong and vastly exagerated. The predictions for post brexit today are already much less exagerated than 4 years ago and a lot of them wont hapeen at all.

You can do whatever you want with numbers and predictions and studies from think tanks, think about an outcome and you can find a math model for it.

And if it doesnt happen just say later it was an estimation. What I saw from traditional media here was shameful. But I guess that should not be a surprise.

Your profile says Italian. I assume you've been treated OK since the vote?

We were supposed to have holocausted you guys and the Polish because of how racist us and Boris are. You should have been arrested and deported at least.

I only became a hard Brexiteer when the other side got carried away with the lies. It became ridiculous. Literal apocalypse. At that point I didn't give a fuck. The whole establishment lined up to parrot the apocalypse line and I stopped listening to any Remain arguments. I know the downsides and possible upsides but when you're told you're doomed and you can't survive without some Commission in Brussels some people would rather die trying. I'm a free trader but CV has made me more protectionist. Silly really given that China-reliant supply chains quickly sorted themselves out after some initial madness.

I want a closer Europe but don't believe the EU allows the nations to play to their strengths. I'm in favour of Scottish independence too. The irony is it's England being held back by Scotland (and Wales and Northern Ireland). Scotland's potential fishing industry is worth way more (to the Gov) than the oil is especially when it's being sold at negative $30. When I say 'Europe (exUK) hasn't done anything of value recently', what I'm really saying is the US has been carrying Europe since pre-WW2.

I think most of the West has fell for the same debt trick that brings all empires/nations down eventually. I'm disappointed that all it took was greed, ambition for status and political expediency instead of a national/continental war for survival/dominance and I'm well aware that the UK is royally fucked in a Chinese world compared to the rest of Europe. I think Brexit resulted in China moving ahead of schedule on Hong Kong (as predicted). Without the threat of EU sanctions, the US sanctions become less effective and the dial moves away from US dominance to the multi-polar world China wants before they sweep Europe aside. 

I'm a great example of filthy job stealing immigrant. Born and raised in Brazil, but since my father has italian citizenship (he is also born in brazil but got it later) I was able to get my Italian citizenship which then gave me the right to live and work in UK. Do I agree with that? No way that's ridiculous, I dont even speak Italian and will never lived there. But since my mid 20's I had the dream of living in UK (sounds weird but its a long story).

So even after brexit me and my wife decided to keep with our plans and move to UK in 2017. Soooooooooooooo many people said I was crazy to leave my great job, my fully paid apartment behind and go to a place where I would be considered an immigrant, brexiteers would beat me up in the tube, and UK would see the worst recession in it's history. I knew it was just not true and a huge exaggeration.

I couldnt be happier and I wish I came here 10 years earlier (Im 39 now), me and my wife found jobs pretty quickly and I have the same position I used to have in Brazil in working for a British company. The british treat me really well and to be honest, not only at work but also in the neighborhood for some reason I get along better with the british than with EU/Asian people. I got really impressed on how chatty the british can be especially older people. Speak the fucking language, respect the local culture instead of trying impose yours, understand you are an immigrant so certain things will be more difficult and you should be alright. Fuck even the weather is not that bad since I live in east anglia.

Been here for 3 years, in two more will get permanent settled status and later citizenship. Couldnt be hapier. And Boris can be many things, but not a homophobe and a racist.