Brexit

[Pyro as Bill]

EnricoPallazzo said:

Ka-pi96 said:

He doesn't. He's trying to argue that those things not happening (taking things people have said could be an issue to the furthest possible extreme, ie. the worst possible, but not at all realistic, scenario) "proves" that brexit was a good idea.

A ridiculous argument for multiple reasons.

I live in UK so I know very well what is going on. I dont think brexit was a good idea. Its funny how people infer so many thing about you opinion even when you do not provide one. We had predictions for pre brexit and post brexit. The pre brexit predictions were mostly wrong and vastly exagerated. The predictions for post brexit today are already much less exagerated than 4 years ago and a lot of them wont hapeen at all.

You can do whatever you want with numbers and predictions and studies from think tanks, think about an outcome and you can find a math model for it.

And if it doesnt happen just say later it was an estimation. What I saw from traditional media here was shameful. But I guess that should not be a surprise.

Your profile says Italian. I assume you've been treated OK since the vote?

We were supposed to have holocausted you guys and the Polish because of how racist us and Boris are. You should have been arrested and deported at least.

I only became a hard Brexiteer when the other side got carried away with the lies. It became ridiculous. Literal apocalypse. At that point I didn't give a fuck. The whole establishment lined up to parrot the apocalypse line and I stopped listening to any Remain arguments. I know the downsides and possible upsides but when you're told you're doomed and you can't survive without some Commission in Brussels some people would rather die trying. I'm a free trader but CV has made me more protectionist. Silly really given that China-reliant supply chains quickly sorted themselves out after some initial madness.

I want a closer Europe but don't believe the EU allows the nations to play to their strengths. I'm in favour of Scottish independence too. The irony is it's England being held back by Scotland (and Wales and Northern Ireland). Scotland's potential fishing industry is worth way more (to the Gov) than the oil is especially when it's being sold at negative $30. When I say 'Europe (exUK) hasn't done anything of value recently', what I'm really saying is the US has been carrying Europe since pre-WW2.

I think most of the West has fell for the same debt trick that brings all empires/nations down eventually. I'm disappointed that all it took was greed, ambition for status and political expediency instead of a national/continental war for survival/dominance and I'm well aware that the UK is royally fucked in a Chinese world compared to the rest of Europe. I think Brexit resulted in China moving ahead of schedule on Hong Kong (as predicted). Without the threat of EU sanctions, the US sanctions become less effective and the dial moves away from US dominance to the multi-polar world China wants before they sweep Europe aside.