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KLAMarine on 09 July 2020
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BraLoD said:
KLAMarine said:

He was not going to kill Ellie, she was going to die so he could develop a cure.

>So was the surgeon just gonna lay Ellie down on the operating table and wait for her to die from natural causes or something? I don't understand. The process of developing the vaccine was going to kill her and fireflies were the ones developing said vaccine.

They were very much going to kill Ellie.

It's like blaming a scientist for testing a vaccine/medicine, it's a process for a greater good, and Ellie wanted that herself.

>I still maintain the fireflies were staffed by idiots. There's a real world example we can compare this to: the fight against smallpox.

Long story short, when inoculating people against small pox, a simple sample of cow pox, a less severe form of small pox, was all that was needed. The cow pox patient didn't need to die. Why does Ellie have to die?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqUFy-t4MlQ

Maybe I'm missing something, some portion where the science in TLoU is explained in more detail?..

There is a very big difference between killing a person as a murder and as a way to save the entire planet, and she wanted it herself.

Ellie was going to die for the vaccine, not because the doctor choose to kill her, that's what I'm talking about, the doctor was innocent, he was saving the world and Ellie was collateral damage (which is still not good, but he is not doing it because he wants to).

Spoiler!
And in the sequel you see he is still sad she would have to die for it, thinking about what would he do if she was his daughter, aka, the dillema Joel was into.

About if they were able to not kill her and still get a cure, pay in mind that it was the world 20 years after the apocalipse, and they were a revolutionary army in the brink of destruction, they didn't have anywhere close the same means, resources and capacity for such delicate surgery as they would in the world before the outbreak.

They explain the only way to develop the vaccine is to extract the part that growns in the brain, which I don't even know if modern science was able to without killing the patient.

The fungus grows in the brain (which is evident everywhere, from the story to the infected evolution stages as well), and at least in the story, only having access to the part of Ellie's brain that was able to fight back the fungus growth they could understand what was the cause and develop a cure.

If these surgeons think they can extract the parasite from Ellie, surely they would be able to extract a sample out of Ellie without killing her. I have to wonder, did they even try to first run some non-invasive tests? MRIs or X-Rays? Why must they automatically resort to a procedure that kills the patient? What if they kill the parasite in the process thus potentially losing a very valuable resource?


I imagine the parasite is living off of Ellie and if Ellie dies, the parasite dies too: it's much better to keep the parasite alive by keeping Ellie alive so you could extract multiple samples and run multiple and various tests.

Like I said, these firefly doctors seem like idiots to me. Joel was right to take Ellie at the end of the first game.