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EricHiggin said:

Captain_Yuri said:

Cause if they have similar price but worse drivers and less features. What incentive is there to buy AMD?

Nvidia could have certainly had better performance sure but by having these features baked into Turing, they now have experience as to what works and what doesn't. Take DLSS for example, 1.0 was terrible. 2.0, incredible. Now going into 3000 series, they will probably have even more of an improved version. Then you have ray tracing. RDNA 2 will be AMD's first attempt and it might be good but this will be Nvidia's second generation which should mean greater gains. Now one could argue that consumer are the ones getting screwed but since the alternative is not having any of these at all while having lower or similar performance... I think most people would rather have the first generation features + the similar performance even if the first gen features are not fully ready for prime time. Since the prices are similar that is.

Well if AMD wants to price like Nvidia, it won't be reasonable... Personally I don't consider the 5000 prices very reasonable myself as they lack Ray Tracing, Tensor cores and DX12 Ultimate.

That's true.

So that you don't end up with one GPU company that can do whatever they want (assuming Intel Xe hasn't caught up). Just look at what happened to Intel core CPU's.

If Radeon market share won't increase much no matter what AMD does, then what are they supposed to do? Create worthy consumer GPU's for cheap just for the sake of it? Since it's highly unlikely that AMD can take both the CPU and GPU crown, and since AMD is clearly more focused on CPU's, then they should just keep doing what their doing by milking their GPU's until Nvidia takes the entire market from them regardless? In which case, assuming Intel Xe is still trailing where Radeon was at, and Nvidia has almost the entire market to itself, they won't get absolutely out of control when it comes to pricing, or eventually slack off?

Setting expectations too high and continually buying into the most popular brand could lead to ending up with just Nvidia as the majority discreet GPU manufacturer, which would be the worst possible scenario. Ryzen moments are not the norm and shouldn't be the expectation.

Being the underdog for too long can eventually become a major problem for a company and all consumers of those products, because lack of competition over long periods time leads to even worse problems.

I think MS was initially more so in the console space to keep SNY out of the PC space, and not just gaming. MS losing a few billion to protect it's hundreds of billions from becoming tens of billions makes sense.

Right but most people won't think like that. People won't throw away 100s of dollars so they can donate to AMD and keep them alive while having a worse experience.

They need to keep trying cause if they don't, they will keep on losing market share until they get axed.

Nvidia is already the majority.

Personally I do like AMD. I really do. I was one of the first gen buyers as I owned a Ryzen 7 1700. Now I have a 3900X. I am a bit salty that I am not getting 4000 series but it wasn't like I was gonna upgrade to it anyway. I don't want an Intel situation although Nvidia's will probably be worse in terms of pricing than intel if they were the only ones left. But that doesn't mean I am going to donate to AMD since I am not a charity. AMD needs to find a way out of the hole they are in with their GPUs. And right now while their CPU's are very popular is the best time to do it as they can afford to take risks. Cause if Intel comes back at full force while they are struggling against Nvidia, it will once again, not be a good outlook for them. It wasn't too long ago they were bleeding money left and right. They fixed a big leak but there's still one left. Before the second Intel ice burg hits, they better have fixed the other leak cause otherwise... Back to the Penny stock they go...

Personally I think RDNA2 could be their ticket if they play their cards right. They don't need to be the performance king, they need to be the value king. Not similar price but less features and less performance cause that's not good value imo.