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Torillian said:
Shinobi-san said:

Hold up are you saying now that everything said in this discussion in this entire thread is backed up with a citation? That is rediculous. We have not gone into the validity of Sundin's citation either. What are you doing here Torillian?

I've read Sundin's citation before, as someone vaguely related to the field I get these things as email updates when something interesting is posted in the journal Science. 

I'm here because I'm curious if you have any studies that would go against what Sundin has posted because I've read that before and I could think of reasons it may not apply to other sports but it's pretty convincing on its own without other studies to show its faults. Opinions and vague ideas of what could happen to sports is fine, but if you want to make policy that should be based off hard evidence and as little conjecture as possible. So far it seems that marathon running can move forward without making any special categorization of trans athletes. I'd be interested to see how this applies to other sports. 

I am not making policies. Also a clear issue in Sundins citation is the use of the term transitioning. This is absolutely not what we have been talking about. We cannot always assume a transition will occur, especially at semi pro and other competitive levels.

As for me coming forward with studies. No. This not why im on a gaming forum - and I have not requested Sundin to come forward with anything really. But when i state something that is relatively obvious provided you actually follow some sport, then ask for a citation, then give a citation that doesnt add to the argument. It feels underhanded.



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