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sundin13 said:
I think I addressed basically everything you said. If you disagree than somehow we clearly aren't on the same page about what we are talking about, and in that case I guess I have nothing further to say to you. Have a good one? |
I disagree I don't think you actually address anything and certainly not at the quality of rebuttal that you task me with (zero proof).
Example 1: I say that there is a band or variation within natural athleticism among a biological sex and that there is some overlap across gender. You simply reply and say that the variation is so huge that it doesn't even matter. You have less evidence than me in saying that - as there is no current sport where male and females compete with an even spread of outcome to prove otherwise. And now you probably going to ask for a citation here when its common sense. So if you cant see how you are wrong on a such a basic item then what are we doing?
Example 2: You also limit the discussion to top tier but its not even clear if you understand all the levels of sport if you are saying that anything outside of the top tier (which is truly a small small % of competitive sport) is not important. I clearly state that it is these formats of sport that are most vulnerable as there are no regulations and gender testing etc. The fact that you so easily dismiss all forms of competitive sport is ridiculous and is also not a rebuttal.
Example 3: You talk about seperating based on skill and not gender. It will end up being the same thing. At school level 90% of men are better than woman. You are going to end up in the same predicament - as the transgender woman will end up competing against men again. Its a circular argument.
You say a lot of random points with zero backing but you want me to cite for some basic points.
Edit: Please note that you article that you linked you to, or rather the study that the article references talks about"after transitioning". There is some implication here or hormonal changes. Again this is where pro sports actually regulate. In competitive sports at other levels this transitioning is certainly not regulated. Unless im completely wrong here and are we now saying that those who identif as female or male needs to also undergo a physical transition? That sounds cruel and unfeasable.
Last edited by Shinobi-san - on 03 July 2020
