theprof00 said:
It's not like you said. You were very specifically saying that you were using facts and I was using assumptions. And again, it's not like I think Joel is the helping type, but we know for a fact that Joel and Tommy go on sweeps. It's like their community job. Happening upon someone and saving them and just coincidentally getting funneled into the house was part of the bad luck. They even mention not expecting to run into thousands of zombies. With Henry, the reason It's important to this discussion is because I'm trying to get you to see from the point of view that Henry was worthy of more suspicion than Abby. If there is a person just there about to die, it just wouldn't occur to most that it's a trap bc if they die there's suddenly no trap. What kind of trap could that possibly be? Even after Henry abandons them, he still doesn't kill him, even though he knows that Henry is not trustworthy due to circumstances. But yes, all I was saying is that we are both making assumptions. It just seemed for a while, you were saying with full certainty "Joel would never do that", "they broke his character". That's just an assumption based on a game that takes place 6 years prior for a playable period of like 5 days in a 25+ year apocalyptic setting. |
Jesus Fucking Christ. LMAO.
You even highlighted the whole thing and you still managed to fuck up your argument by not reading my statement properly. The keyword in my statement is about Joel's change. This game lacks any sort of event that concretely supported his character transformation. You don't just change a character's behavior without properly having them go through some sort of epiphany. Even in real life, people don't change for no reason. Also, you cannot pass judgement without knowing the proper information. How did a seemingly good kid turn out to be a serial killer when he grew up?
It doesn't matter what those bits showed us when we don't even have anything that showed Joel trying to repent for his past actions. Even in the flashback scenes, he argued with Ellie saying that there was nothing that they could have done for those infected. Hell, he even doubled down on the ending by saying he would save Ellie all over again which meant denying the world of a chance for a cure.
Just to be clear if you still know what we're arguing about. The argument is about characters acting out of place. My arguments are all based on Joel's behavior in TLOU1 and how the difference in TLOU2 does not make much sense from a story telling point of view. The reason for this is we do not see a journey from TLOU1 Joel(ending) to TLOU2 Joel. The same can be applied with Tommy. But then again, we never really had any proper focus with Tommy which I find one of the interesting characters in this series. The only moments we got were from TLOU1 which were still Joelcentric, and a flashbacks in TLOU2.
With regards to Henry, I already said my piece. Don't make me repeat it. You're just supporting my argument. You can't say this is any different from Abby's case. You just don't walk into a room with a group of random strangers and potentially offer yourself to be mugged and killed. TLOU1 was consistent with its premise. This world is unforgiving and there are a lot of people who are desperate. His complete utter trust makes no sense in this game.
Last edited by iron_megalith - on 26 June 2020
