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iron_megalith on 26 June 2020
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theprof00 said:
iron_megalith said:

What does my fucking trophies have to do with this argument? You want me to share my PSN info here just to validate my arguments? If you want to discuss the story, stick with that please.

And also how is it different in this scenario? Is it because Joel did the saving this time around and put himself in danger? Well let me tell you that Joel isn't really a fan of taking risks just for anybody else. At least in the first game.

Even if we disregard Joel, what about Tommy completely inviting strangers he barely even spoke to? If you say he was just expressing his gratitude, they could have done that in a more believable manner that is in line with the premise and the character's behavior. They just acted as if the trauma they experienced in TLOU1 never ever happened.

No I don't need to see them, I'm just confused. Like I said, you have the two backwards. My point being that Joel accepted Henry faster than he accepts Abby. Your "case in point" ie, the best example you could use, was Henry. And your Henry example shows him as less cautious. Now you're saying Joel wouldn't even have saved Abby in the first place. But in your own words...that's an assumption. 

Regarding Tommy, in what way do you think it even matters that he invited them? Inviting them had no impact on Joel's death whatsoever. At best, offering home and help as collateral potentially could have dissuaded any violence, and maybe that's why he offered. it's another assumption, yes but it doesn't support your case either. 

Regardless, you won't even address that I'm right about Henry, which is making me second guess even having this debate with you because it comes off as stubborn, and that means I'll just be wasting my time on someone who has clearly already made their mind up.

?????????  Holy shit.... Just fucking wow. You are just too fucking hilarious.

Joel beat Henry up when they first met. Although that was done in retaliation. Next, he nearly shot him after waking up by the river bed because Henry bailed out on him.

Also, if you played the game you will even notice that even if they are helping each other, it's a means to an end kind of thing. Only after the sniper area where they started to bond with each other very closely. Also, let me remind you that Joel left a whole family in the intro of TLOU1 just in case you conveniently forgot about that. Him being heroic to random people as well was not in his character. Tommy? Maybe.

But like I said, whatever you and I say about Joel's change are just assumptions because we do not have any events to bridge us to what we currently see about Joel. How hard is that to understand?

Also, if you think Tommy's action doesn't matter you clearly are deluded about this whole argument about characters acting out of character. Here's Tommy being on guard about random outsiders just in case you forget about this as well.

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It makes sense given the premise of the story and was further supported when the plant was raided. So why does it seem like Tommy acts like there are no more bandits or people with bad intentions lurking around? It took them a few lines before he callously invites them into the town. 

By judging your responses here, it seems to me that you are the one that has not finished the first game or has completely forgotten about it. It's funny that you call me out saying I haven't finished the first game when you're willing to let such trash story writing to go through in the sequel.

Keep it up lad!

Last edited by iron_megalith - on 26 June 2020