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Cyran on 24 June 2020
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vivster said:
Cyran said:

I don't have the energy to make a long post on my views on this subject but I do want to reject this notion that it purely psychological. 

When we talk about what consider feminine behavior vs masculine behavior the primary cause is not a difference between male and female brains but how human brains react to testosterone vs estrogen.  If you give a man estrogen they will start to show what people consider in society more feminine behavior.  They also plays a big role in brain development studies have found.

I say this because studies have shown that people who identify as Transgender MtF generally have a longer receptor gene for the sex hormone of testosterone which reduces it effectiveness at binding testosterone.  The research suggests that the decrees in testosterone levels in brain during development causes a more "feminized brain" which leads to identity as female vs male.

My point is that there are physicals developments of the brains that have been shown in multiple studies as the reason and it complete BS saying it about self-respect or any other way to you try to trivialize the matter by saying all they need is counseling.  I don't blame transsexual individuals in the slightest for finding it offensive suggesting that all they need is counseling just like any Gay/Lesbian would find it offensive to suggest they need counseling.

See, the issue here is that whatever biologically happens is irrelevant. And the fact that those hormones work almost the same in both sexes makes it even more obvious that the biology of a person is irrelevant.

The problem that you have completely glossed over is the human definition of "feminine" and "masculine". Thes definitions only include arbitrary traits that can be expressed in both sexes, be it through hormones, experience or genes. They can be expressed in both genders that are attributed to each sex, yet society firmly puts each definition on just one gender. Not only that, but society even actively discourages masculine behavior in women and vice versa. That of course leqds to a lot of stress and confusion in vulnerable people who begin to think that they are somehow belong to the wrong gender. That of course is ridiculous since we already know that any trait can be expressed in any sex.

This shows that transgenderism is neither biological or psychological. It is a normal human condition that just does not fit within the completely wrong societal norms. There is absolutely no need to accommodate humans to a gender, we need to accommodate societal norms to humans rather. Gender is a human construct that has always only served to oppress and control people and it's time for it to be discontinued.

However we live in the darkest timeline. Transgender people, who were the most oppressed by society and should be fighting against the stupid superficial norms, have taken the easiest route. Instead of fighting against it, they have weaponized it for their own gains and are using it to oppress others. So we have now gone from just one oppressor to two oppressors, one of which honestly believes to be fighting for the good.

I agree with a lot of what you said but come to some very different conclusion.  I agree that "feminine" and "masculine" are human definition and it is why I try to remember to put them in quotes when I use them.  I just have not come up with any better language to use when talking about this subject.  What trait fall into those 2 categories is largely cultural and society base but that being said there are certain traits that are much more likely to be found in biological males vs biological females because of genetics. 

Ideally having a gender-less construct for society might very well be the idea situation but it also not the reality we live in and anyone that believe that it going to happen any time soon is fooling them selves.  The reality is in a world where gender pro-nouns exist denying someone the right to use the ones that fits what there brain telling them on a structurally level where they fit in is both damaging and dangerous to there mental health.

My main point is in a society that do have constructs base on Gender, basing it solely on someone reproduction origins and ignore what structurally going on in there head is sentencing transgender woman to be oppressed by society.  If you live in a society where there no concept of gender roles then it a none issue to begin with.

Also saying that Transgender is oppressing anyone I find a great overstatement.  I not a fan of censorship and political correction generally speaking but putting pressure to change how stuff is talked about and put pressure to change how subjects are dealt with in art is far different then what real oppression look like.