JWeinCom said:
do you understand that you exaggerate? by presenting small inaccuracy as 'misinformation' and make it sound dramatic, even accusing me of making up stats? Again, "Do you understand that the problem is not how accurate the information is, but the fact that you posted it without any rational basis for knowing how accurate it was?" The problem is you still don't seem to get it. When you say "Oh I'm sorry, but I was only off by a little (which still isn't true btw) so really it's ok" you're completely missing the point.#Sorrynotsorry" The problem is that you're posting things as if they're true without knowing if they're true. That's dishonest. If it's the case that you were only off by a little (we still don't know that because you've yet to find the actual figure) then that's just luck, and does not in any way justify your actions. Again, if I say your penis is two inches long, then I'm full of shit, regardless of the actual size of your penis. now "any other stat I've posted" is garbage!? because I didn't state the source on one of them? seriously... I understand that you may disagree with my views in some topics, but calling the stats garbage? all because they do not serve your views No, every other stat is not garbage because you didn't post the source on one of them them. Every other stat is garbage because they're all inaccurate garbage. I explained why your stats are garbage. Because, they don't seem to account for a large chunk of the population, and they simply throw out 1/3 of the data. You can't just throw out 1/3 of the data and assume your sample is still random. Ask a statistician if you could just ignore 1/3 of your data. If they say "yup nbd" I'll stand corrected. I haven't expressed any views so I'm not sure which ones they don't serve. How can I disagree with your view if you haven't presented it XD. you are desperate on downgrading my opinions that you hold on to this thing and try to make it sound huge, I highly doubt you would make it a big matter or even ask for a source for someone who agreed with you, but I get attacked brutally because I dare post some data to discuss while still shaping up my opinion... your bias is unreal You doubt it? Cool. I give precisely zero fucks whether or not you think I'm biased. You posted misinformation, and you continue to do so. As such, you'll continue to get called on it. what 25% of the population are you referring to? if it's about the Hispanic/Latino they are obviously included in the White race, since there is the 'Other' category that only "Includes American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander." All of the other graphs you posted list hispanics as a separate category. Which means that if that data counts hispanics as whites, and this data doesn't, you cannot compare them. Again, this is really basic statistics. If you're not defining your variables in the same way, you cannot compare them across different "studies". If Hispanics and Latinos were incorporated in the white data (which you haven't given any reliable source to show that they are and not incorporated into the 1/3 of the data that's unknown) then that drastically changes the ratio. In your last post, you said your first claim was the murder arrest rate for black people was 6x as much as white people. But IF hispanics are being incorporated into the white figure, and we ignore the issue of 1/3 of the data being unaccounted for, then that would mean black people would actually be arrested for murder at about 10x the rate. This is an absolutely massive difference. You're off by 66% (again this is assuming hispanics count as white). IF murder arrest rates are correlated with police brutality, that would completely change the correlation. This is why I say all of the stats you post are garbage. Because they're garbage. all the other figures I posted stated sources on them anyway, and again my intention was to talk and learn more about actual US society problems not this... but yeah, as you said before, with these figures that I post I'm not worth discussing anything with, how dare I Yeah... when you post figures without knowing where they're from, admittedly without caring for the source, and use trolling 101 tactics (Oh, I'm not saying it must be the case that people are racist against black people because they commit so many crimes... I'm just saying it makes sense that people are racist against black people because they commit so many crimes. No opinion here folks, just a guy looking for answers, why are you attacking me for just looking for answers If you sincerely wanted to learn more about US societal problems, you could have. So I'll ask for the third time. How much time have you put into researching this? What sources have you found? |
)you are the exact opposite of what we call a positive and constructive approach, you could have always said nicely that it's better I include/double check the source for every single figure from now on, and that's it, but you chose to make a pointless drama and accuse me of posting 'misinformation' and even making up figures, all because the figures do not help your views no matter what, whether it's 49 or 53%, and regardless of source
most Hispanics are included in white under the Race columns - they choose whichever race is closer because there is no Hispanic/Latino option to report in 'Race'... Race is one thing and Ethnicity is another, hence why they have separate columns for ethnicity... https://www.census.gov/mso/www/training/pdf/race-ethnicity-onepager.pdf
I am not off, I refer to white the same way as FBI does because that's the data I have, Hispanics are not my focus here hence over-complicating things is just pointless, my point is that black people commit significantly more murders and that's crystal clear regardless *it's not arrested, offender = found guilty
once again, the 1/3 of the unknowns is unresolved/still in trial cases and since the murder's race is largely independent of whether the crime is unresolved or still in trial, that means that the data closely follows the 10,000 sample we have already ( I agree with your previous points about black people having less access to good lawyers or being wrongly convicted etc but in no way it is enough to change the overall picture)
deny all you want, the numbers are real and they are out there, anyone can read them on the internet and make sensible conclusions, either on wikipedia, google images or FBI it doesn't matter
if you are not biased to the bone, despite your exaggerating, brutal approach, and you honestly believe that the figures are garbage, then our real difference is statistical knowledge and experience with reading and analyzing graphs/tables/figures
you are really good at pointing out factors that could affect data collection or explain the results, so I'll be still waiting for your brutal replies - in case you change your mind about the "And no, we can't discuss other things." ^_^
don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^
