padib said:
It all boils down to how you judge the advancement.
If you are looking at it from a point of view of photo-realism of people, things and the environment, and the dynamism of nearby objects/structures/characters then the PS5/XSX shows a massive jump due to the massive scale of objects that can be rendered per frame. Certain feats have been met, such as CGI-level graphics within an interactive game. This is a frontier that was never passed before. Loading times are cut out which is another frontier that was never passed for any disk-based system. Photorealism at the level we are seeing it now has never been achieved, to the point where human characters are almost believeable versus a picture. This is what the OP is highlighting, and it's all true.
If you're looking at it from a point of view of the satisfaction of graphics during a gameplay experience, it is difficult to feel the jump between the gen 8 and gen 9 graphics because that depends on many things: the size of your monitor, the resolution of your monitor, the mode of your monitor (helmet vs tv), the type of game your playing (cartoon vs photoreal), what developers do with the technology they have and which aspects of their artistic decisions cause that jump to seem bigger. Are reduction of loading times considered a generational leap, or were these already good enough on the X1S which also had an SSD?
How each person perceives the jump is subjective, that's why everything said in the thread so far is true. For some, we see the diminishing returns because what is being achieved does not add much to the overall experience. To others, the jumps are surreal and cross barriers we never crossed before.
Like all things, it's about perspective and subjective interpretation. For me personally, I was floored by the UE5 demo, and am very curious about what is now possible in VR combined with such lush and detailed worlds. The PS5 demo reel impressed me at Horizon and at GT, for the rest I was not as impressed as by the UE5 demo. In the end, we all perceive graphics our own very personal way, with some worlds resonating with us more than others. At the same time, there are some objective facts about what is being accomplished which are important to understand.
I'm personally really impressed by what I'm seeing in general and for the first time in a long time (I think since Second Son), I am being kind of wowed by graphics. Being a Nintendo gamer mostly, graphics don't matter to me as much as gameplay, but I feel like there is a generational leap here that impresses me.
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Yeah what I was trying to say in a more eloquent way.
@Shinobi
I didn't mean to come across as dismissive and rude, if I did then I apologize. There is no right or wrong in this, we all have different views, expectations and takes on what next gen should bring and its really interesting for me. And what keeps be coming back to these forums :)
But yeah like you said its a developing topic, we have yet to see Microsoft big reveal of first party games and still have a lot to come. I'm just super excited at the prospect of what these consoles can bring.
Last edited by hinch - on 16 June 2020
