Official Protest Thread

[JWeinCom]

dark_gh0st_b0y said:

JWeinCom said:

First off, don't call me my dear.

More importantly, O_O... You are still posting misinformation.  Despite the fact that I literally posted the information for you one post ago.

You are still making up figures.  As I've explained several times now, neither the 49% nor the 53% figure are accurate.  It's not a 4% error, because the 53% figure is no more accurate than the 49% figure. Not only do you post figures without checking to see if they're accurate, but somehow even after being shown that they're inaccurate you're still doing it.

But the issue is not about how accurate the information is, but about the fact that you don't care enough to actually check the figure and make sure it's accurate.  When you posted 49% you had no idea what the actual figure is (which btw is still not 53%).  If I said your penis is 2 inches long then that's a problem.  Even if your penis is actually very small, I have no way of knowing that, so it's irresponsible and dishonest of me to say so.

Please answer this.  Do you understand that the problem is not how accurate the information is, but the fact that you posted it without any rational basis for knowing how accurate it was? (This btw is an example of me conveying my opinion through a question.  It's quite possible.)

Black people did as a matter of fact did not commit significantly more crimes in 2015. Based on the available data, it seems they committed significantly fewer crimes than white people did. I literally explained this one post ago.  They did not commit 49% or 53% of the crime. They made up 27% of arrests in 2015. Even if we assume that the arrest rate matches the rate of crimes being committed, you're not off by 4%, you're off by 22%. Nearly a factor of 2. Like, I gave you the actual information one post ago and somehow you're still posting misinformation.

Again, please stop pretending that saying "It makes sense that x must be the case" is not stating an opinion.  If you do, it makes sense that you must be lying.  (Which obviously isn't me saying you're lying... I'm just shaping my opinion here). It's weird that things keep getting explained to you, you don't suggest any flaw in the explanation, and just go on as if it hadn't been explained to you.

This is like someone getting caught in the middle of a murder, and when they get arrested telling the cop "oh you only arrested me cause you're biased".  You're posting misinformation and you're getting called on it. If that bothers you, then stop posting misinformation.

I don't know what research you did.  That's why I asked. Based on the quality of your posts though, I'm guessing not a whole lot. Feel free to prove me wrong.  How much research have you done?  What sources have you been using?

And no, we can't discuss other things.  Because your opinions are only as good as your data. If you don't understand why posting stats without knowing what the source is, whether the data is accurate, and apparently not even knowing where you even found the statistic, is a problem, then you don't have proper standards of evidence.  Your epistemology is basically "Well I found this on the internet and that's good enough for me". If someone doesn't understand how to come to sound conclusions, anything they say is worthless.

so my opinions are 4% off and hence not good MY DEAR ?

obviously with the 49/53 % I was referring to the most important crime that is murder, 27% arrests for a 13% population is still a 200% more which backs up my claim that black people commit more crimes

I think you are a fact denier, you analyze everything except the data itself and hold on to little details such as a 4% inaccuracy or the unresolved murders, and find excuses to avoid what is obvious

I understand that you want to know exactly where the data is coming from, and this is a good thing so I'll make sure to note sources in the future even though this is a casual gaming forum and not a university essay, but accusing me of posting misinformation is just pushing it too far

taking the 49% figure and adding the 4% to white results in a x5.87 as many murders where the actual 53% figure results in x6.97 as many, so i used x6 instead of the actual x7, and that declares my opinion as invalid and misinformation? if you regard that as misinformation instead of inaccuracy then you are seriously biased

you exaggerate and make it look dramatic, and even accuse me of making up figures for that :/

so my opinions are 4% off and hence not good MY DEAR ?

1. I asked you not to call me something, which seems like a reasonable request.  It's not at all relevant to this conversation... So at this point the only reason to do so is an attempt to intentionally antagonize me. AKA trolling. This is the second time I'm telling you not to, so I'm assuming that should be enough.

2.I don't know how much clearer I can be about this point.  I've explained that the 4% you keep harping on about is just as much garbage as any other stat you've posted, and I've explained why the degree of accuracy isn't the problem. Somehow you come back with SO THE PROBLEM IS I'M OFF BY 4%?  Like... I dunno... did you read anything I said?  Maybe numbering things will help you out?

3.  Do you understand that the total of black and white murder should not add up to 100%, and therefore your 53% figure cannot be accurate, and therefore your constant claim of "I'm only off by 4%" is fallacious? Do you understand that you have to account for the 25% of the population that is not black or white, and until you do, you cannot extrapolate based on the data?

4. Again, "Do you understand that the problem is not how accurate the information is, but the fact that you posted it without any rational basis for knowing how accurate it was?"

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 16 June 2020