Official Protest Thread

[dark_gh0st_b0y]

JWeinCom said:

dark_gh0st_b0y said:

agh, you are over-complicating things for no reason... there are always inaccuracies in statistics, no stat is 100% perfect that's unreal and academically speaking it doesn't have to, inaccuracy doesn't mark something as misinformation, that's why we have confidence intervals and margins of error, to inform the reader that the real number might typically vary +_ 5% most of the times

did black people commit significantly more crimes in 2015 or not my dear? 49% or 53% will not change any reasonable person's opinion, now if you want to declare this as misinformation then do so...

I am honest and I admit when I'm wrong and I said sorry at least 2 times, even if it's a much smaller issue than you present it to be, it was probably from wikipedia as were the graphs, possibly removed or updated along with more recent stats due to the recent events, I have no reason to make up figures as you accuse me of doing, you are obviously biased against me and want to find little details to devalue my opinion even thought I stated that I have not shaped one yet

and how do you know what research I do for that? the first post was more than a week ago, maybe if you didn't stick to a 4% accuracy error that changes nothing, we could discuss more meaningful things, like how the figures have changed the recent years and what is actually causing black people to commit more crimes, such as social segregation, social and economic class, less access to high level education, more exposed to gang crime etc... and how racism and slavery from centuries ago has led us to this...

First off, don't call me my dear.

More importantly, O_O... You are still posting misinformation.  Despite the fact that I literally posted the information for you one post ago.

You are still making up figures.  As I've explained several times now, neither the 49% nor the 53% figure are accurate.  It's not a 4% error, because the 53% figure is no more accurate than the 49% figure. Not only do you post figures without checking to see if they're accurate, but somehow even after being shown that they're inaccurate you're still doing it.

But the issue is not about how accurate the information is, but about the fact that you don't care enough to actually check the figure and make sure it's accurate.  When you posted 49% you had no idea what the actual figure is (which btw is still not 53%).  If I said your penis is 2 inches long then that's a problem.  Even if your penis is actually very small, I have no way of knowing that, so it's irresponsible and dishonest of me to say so.

Please answer this.  Do you understand that the problem is not how accurate the information is, but the fact that you posted it without any rational basis for knowing how accurate it was? (This btw is an example of me conveying my opinion through a question.  It's quite possible.)

Black people did as a matter of fact did not commit significantly more crimes in 2015. Based on the available data, it seems they committed significantly fewer crimes than white people did. I literally explained this one post ago.  They did not commit 49% or 53% of the crime. They made up 27% of arrests in 2015. Even if we assume that the arrest rate matches the rate of crimes being committed, you're not off by 4%, you're off by 22%. Nearly a factor of 2. Like, I gave you the actual information one post ago and somehow you're still posting misinformation.

Again, please stop pretending that saying "It makes sense that x must be the case" is not stating an opinion.  If you do, it makes sense that you must be lying.  (Which obviously isn't me saying you're lying... I'm just shaping my opinion here). It's weird that things keep getting explained to you, you don't suggest any flaw in the explanation, and just go on as if it hadn't been explained to you.

This is like someone getting caught in the middle of a murder, and when they get arrested telling the cop "oh you only arrested me cause you're biased".  You're posting misinformation and you're getting called on it. If that bothers you, then stop posting misinformation.

I don't know what research you did.  That's why I asked. Based on the quality of your posts though, I'm guessing not a whole lot. Feel free to prove me wrong.  How much research have you done?  What sources have you been using?

And no, we can't discuss other things.  Because your opinions are only as good as your data. If you don't understand why posting stats without knowing what the source is, whether the data is accurate, and apparently not even knowing where you even found the statistic, is a problem, then you don't have proper standards of evidence.  Your epistemology is basically "Well I found this on the internet and that's good enough for me". If someone doesn't understand how to come to sound conclusions, anything they say is worthless.

so my opinions are 4% off and hence not good MY DEAR ?

obviously with the 49/53 % I was referring to the most important crime that is murder, 27% arrests for a 13% population is still a 200% more which backs up my claim that black people commit more crimes

I think you are a fact denier, you analyze everything except the data itself and hold on to little details such as a 4% inaccuracy or the unresolved murders, and find excuses to avoid what is obvious

I understand that you want to know exactly where the data is coming from, and this is a good thing so I'll make sure to note sources in the future even though this is a casual gaming forum and not a university essay, but accusing me of posting misinformation is just pushing it too far

taking the 49% figure and adding the 4% to white results in a x5.87 as many murders where the actual 53% figure results in x6.97 as many, so i used x6 instead of the actual x7, and that declares my opinion as invalid and misinformation? if you regard that as misinformation instead of inaccuracy then you are seriously biased

you exaggerate and make it look dramatic, and even accuse me of making up figures for that :/