Next gen PS5/XB1SX sales ratio will look the same as this gen's. Huge changes in console marketshare require huge changes in the industry.

[mjk45]

RolStoppable said:

Cerebralbore101 said:

Rol, your reading comprehension is just poor. You are fighting an imaginary battle with the Cerebralbore in your head, instead of actually addressing me or what I said. 

Forza 8 and Halo Infinite will run on Xbox One, Xbox One X, PC, and Xbox Series X. Those aren't going to move units, because everybody interested in those games has hardware to play those games already.

^There I am talking about how being available on four systems will affect sales. 

Your argument was "Halo Infinite and Forza will push sales for Series X, and the system that has the best 3rd party performance will come out on top". 

I refuted the first part of your argument, by pointing out that Halo Infinite and Forza will be playable on four platforms in total. 

This reduces your argument to "Halo Infinite and Forza will push sales for Series X, and the system that has the best 3rd party performance will come out on top"

Since your argument had been reduced to a single point ala refutation, I then asked the following rhetorical question "Can you give an example of a console winning a generation solely by having better graphics in 3rd party titles?"

Asking such a question =/= Stating that you actually believe that a console can win via nothing but 3rd party performance. 

At best it merely implies it. But that's what you've done these past few posts. You've attempted to read between the lines of what I actually said, to extract your own strawman interpretation, and then went on to attack said strawman. 

Your method of straw-manning is as bad as people that say "Black Lives Matter? That implies what white lives don't matter! The BLM movement thinks white lives don't matter!"

All this time I gave you the benefit of the doubt, because I didn't want to believe that your thought process is the way you laid it out here. But now it's clear, you are 100% convinced that Halo and Forza can't move XSX hardware. Good luck with that.

Before I bow out of this discussion with you, I want to reiterate that my argument has never been "the system that has the best third party performance comes out on top." I said it's an important factor for sales because the majority of bestsellers on PS and Xbox consoles are multiplats. That's as basic of a statement as Halo being capable of moving hardware, but you don't want to acknowledge either one and therefore there's no chance whatsoever that any progress is going to be made in this discussion.

I have a question for you guys concerning the third party/exclusives situation in regards to whether or not you see any substantial change happening,I'm not talking so much about changes to the ratio of third party to First party in the top ten or twenty best sellers, more along the lines of those top selling first party games starting to sell at a rate more inline with similar ranked third party games. I did a quick look at the top 15 or so PS3 titles and only GT5 had reached 10m+ and the rest had much lower numbers in comparison to the  third party games around their mark.

Looking at PS4 paints a different picture yes that picture is murky due to VGC changes, but if you take into account the developer numbers the first party growth has been phenomenal with numbers being over double and even triple in some cases and they are now more in tune with and in some cases exceeding what you expect from their similar ranked third party counterparts,now this was not a comprehensive delve into those sales but on the surface there seems to be changes afoot in PS4's case anyway. and Rol can knock sense into me when needed it seems there first party is becoming Nintendo lite.

Last edited by mjk45 - on 14 June 2020