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Cerebralbore101 on 14 June 2020
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RolStoppable said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

You have this really bad habit. Instead of addressing what I actually said, you seem to want to address what you think was implied by what I actually said.

I never said that TLoU2 would be big on PS5.

I never said being built for old gen would affect Halo Infinite. I said that being available on old gen would effect it's sales. There's a difference. Please learn it. I don't subscribe to the HollyGamer idea that having to scale Halo Infinite back to run on XB1 S will somehow hold back the Series X version in the graphics department. 

You are assuming that the casuals that play Madden, Fifa, CoD, Destiny, Fortnite etc. actually care about graphics. They don't.

"The launch of the Xbox One X is merely another piece of proof for the large pile of evidence that makes it clear that image and perception of any given console is shaped early, so midgen upgrades, add-ons etc. are unable to move the needle in any significant manner."

Wasn't PS3 behind 360 sales at some point? Price drops + Exclusives + a 2nd Model helped them to not only catch up, but just barely pass 360 in lifetime sales at the end of the generation. So no, what happens in the first year of a generation doesn't set in stone the end results. Otherwise 360 would have ended at 100 million lifetime sales and PS3 at 72 million.

"Your straw man was when you asserted that I am claiming that any console in the past won by having nothing more than better graphics for third party games, which is something that I didn't do."

I never said that you claimed that. Here you go trying to address what you think was implied by what I actually said, instead of what I actually said. You want to make strawman accusations, but in this post alone you've managed to strawman me three times already.

If MS manages to undercut the PS5 by $100 (with Series X pricing, not Series S) they will manage to make some headway this gen. I see that as unlikely, but not impossible. I give 75% betting odds that PS5 will be $0 to $50 more than Series X. ""Best place to play" 3rd party nonsense won't matter. You seriously underestimate the affect of exclusives on sales.

I've addressed what you said. You keep moving goalposts, that's why your arguments are falling apart.

For instance, in your current post you say that Halo Infinite being on old gen would effect its sales, but what you originally said is that Halo Infinite is nothing; there's a significant difference between talking about decreased sales and brushing off a game as a non-factor like you did. At another point you demanded that I should show proof that a console in the past won by doing nothing more than having the better looking multiplatform games; I was the only one you were having a discussion with at that point, so either you strawmanned me or you randomly asked a stupid question.

The 360 and PS3 were having very similar yearly sales with the lead in weekly baseline sales changing a few times. A lead for the 360 existed largely due to its one year headstart. The two consoles were selling at a similar pace from start to finish of that generation, because the image and perception that the PS3 isn't significantly better than the 360 was defined early.

Rol, your reading comprehension is just poor. You are fighting an imaginary battle with the Cerebralbore in your head, instead of actually addressing me or what I said. 

Forza 8 and Halo Infinite will run on Xbox One, Xbox One X, PC, and Xbox Series X. Those aren't going to move units, because everybody interested in those games has hardware to play those games already.

^There I am talking about how being available on four systems will affect sales. 

Your argument was "Halo Infinite and Forza will push sales for Series X, and the system that has the best 3rd party performance will come out on top". 

I refuted the first part of your argument, by pointing out that Halo Infinite and Forza will be playable on four platforms in total. 

This reduces your argument to "Halo Infinite and Forza will push sales for Series X, and the system that has the best 3rd party performance will come out on top"

Since your argument had been reduced to a single point ala refutation, I then asked the following rhetorical question "Can you give an example of a console winning a generation solely by having better graphics in 3rd party titles?"

Asking such a question =/= Stating that you actually believe that a console can win via nothing but 3rd party performance. 

At best it merely implies it. But that's what you've done these past few posts. You've attempted to read between the lines of what I actually said, to extract your own strawman interpretation, and then went on to attack said strawman. 

Your method of straw-manning is as bad as people that say "Black Lives Matter? That implies what white lives don't matter! The BLM movement thinks white lives don't matter!"