JWeinCom said:
if you wanna blame me for posting 49% instead of 53% - in favοr of black people anyway - then blame me, I don't really note sources just numbers, as this is a casual gaming forum and not a formal university meeting, sorry I forgot that you always look to prove me wrong no matter what, I'll make sure to note all the sources next time Yes. I absolutely blame you for posting two numbers, neither of which are substantiated by any official source. One was apparently pulled out of thin air (you still can't provide any source even a bad one) and the other was made by manipulating data. That's straight up spreading misinformation, and considering the context of that information, it is absolutely unacceptable. Even if the data is correct or close(I don't know what the actual figure is) you posted it with complete disregard for its accuracy. If you don't give a shit about making sure your information is accurate, you don't give a shit about whether or not your conclusion is accurate. Simple as that. You posted information that is wrong, and you got called on it. When I read something I want to make sure it's accurate. It's called skepticism, and it's a good approach to take if you care about believing true things. Stop acting like that's some sort of personal vendetta against you. If you don't want to be called out for posting misinformation, then don't post misinformation. a randomly chosen sample of 10,000 is considered more than enough in statistics to represent the population of a million, used in election polls, dna sampling and soooo much more, the unknowns will closely follow the rest of the data anyway, if you think 10000/15000 is not enough to draw a general representation of US murders, then I would suggest reading a statistics book (how sampling relates to the margin of error and levels of confidence) or stop reading numerical data all together since it should all be meaningless under your views Uhhhhh... I didn't say anywhere that 10,000 was not enough people. Cool strawman though. What I said was that I don't know if the sample is random. And there could be reasons why it is not random besides bias. For instance, if rural and suburban areas are less likely to report race when it comes to murders as opposed to urban areas, or vice versa, that would seriously significantly skew the data. Or if people in urban areas just happen to commit more murders in general, then that would also skew the data. Just one factor. And again, I shouldn't have to repeat this, but if you narrow the data to black and white, you are ELIMINATING 15% OF YOUR DATA SET, in which case I'm not sure how the sample can actually be random. Without knowing more about the methodology, I can't say anything more than what the data itself shows. When 1/3 of your data is unknown, you need to know why it is unknown before you can extrapolate. I never said that music videos/rappers in jail are evidence, just a rough idea when compared to white rappers, open music videos with millions of views and fans is very different from evil pedophile Priests that do crime in utter secrecy while playing the divine, if they were publicly admitting it and still had millions of supporters then by all means, your impression would be reasonable If it's a factor in creating your impressions, then that's evidence to you. Information on which you are basing a decision. And if that's the kind of thing you're basing your impressions on your epistemology is fucked. And priests still have millions of supporters despite the fact that this is public knowledge... So... my conclusion that Christians are disproportionately pedophiles is legit? and for Christ's sake, I never said the cop killings are justified... I had not even fully drawn my conclusions, I was waiting for more responses to shape them up, I'll write a separate post with my opinion and the data that led me towards it :P "Don't you think that perception, expectations and fear originate from African Americans committing more crimes, especially murders in the long term? I mean, if 50% of the murders traditionally come from the African Americans 13% minority, wouldn't the policemen be more scared for their lives and more biased, therefore more ready and less hesitating to kill someone if he is black?" "It would make sense that the high criminality rates from African Americans must be the main source of racism, and police brutality to some extend." Please stop being disingenuous. And maybe you shouldn't write a separate post with your opinion. Maybe if you're taking data from wikipedia, looking up numbers without caring what their source is, posting graphs that you don't understand, getting "impressions" from rap videos, and relying on people from a gaming forum to inform your opinion... then maybe you don't know enough to have an intelligent opinion on race relations and police brutality in a foreign country... |
come on, there are no pedophile priests that still have their place or supporters... unlike black rappers that get more popular by talking about guns and drugs in their music (e.g. 69 out of jail, straight to No3 on Billboard), it's just not the same
I believe the unknowns are cases still in trial or unresolved? not sure if/when the data is updated but we are talking about the FBI here, what would be the point of releasing statistics if the method of recording them is highly skewed by things like rural/urban areas as you suggest...
I am sorry that the 49% figure is inaccurate or outdated yes, but it would not lead me/anyone to wrong conclusions anyway, you are only making it a big matter because you disagree with me in general, if I was someone who agrees with you, you wouldn't bother to ask for sources at all...
find reasons to declare the statistics as inaccurate does not make them ineligible, my point is not whether they commit 4x or 6x more crimes, the point is that they commit significantly more such to take it into account
"Don't you think that perception, expectations and fear originate from African Americans committing more crimes, especially murders in the long term? I mean, if 50% of the murders traditionally come from the African Americans 13% minority, wouldn't the policemen be more scared for their lives and more biased, therefore more ready and less hesitating to kill someone if he is black?"
"It would make sense that the high criminality rates from African Americans must be the main source of racism, and police brutality to some extend."
I am asking by suggesting my dear, as I said above, shaping up my opinion, not being absolute, not stating it
by that thinking of yours no one should have an opinion about matters, where shall I base my opinion on if not statistics, mass trends and asking other people for more opinions/articles/numbers? you are acting as if I'm about to publish my opinion on the news :P
don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^
