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HoloDust on 09 June 2020
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The_Liquid_Laser said:
HoloDust said:

TES is both popular and influential, but most of it comes from Skyrim. You were talking about Morrowind specifically, and Bethesda pretty much ditched core RPG market in favor of progressively more mainstream experience after it (though, Morrowind was already somewhat toned down compared to Daggerfall). But, as I said, Morrowind was not the first, whole TES started as Bethesda's take on Ultima Underworld - both Arena and Daggerfall were there for anyone interested to play them, and people played them - they ruined nothing, they were just successors to different take on RPGs that existed even back in 80s...maybe you just missed them, or you were not interested in them, there was so many ways and attempts to convert tabletop RPG experience to video games (and none quite succeeded).

Personally, from that period, I'd take Might&Magic over any TES, but I knew lot of folks who were hardcore Daggerfall fans.

I was saying that I played Morrowind and didn't like it, but TES is even worse now because it is more popular.  Basically the rest of what you are saying is irrelevant to what I was originally saying.  We are talking past each other.

This is what you said:

The_Liquid_Laser said:

Morrowind.  There used to be a time when I liked every RPG I played.  There was no distinction between Western and Japanese.  They were all good.  If they got advertised and reviewed well, then I was going to enjoy it.  The crappy ones were intentionally downplayed, so I could avoid them.  Then Morrowind came along.  What a piece of total trash.  This games takes everything I like about RPGs and gets rid of it.  Fun leveling?  Gone.  An engrossing story?  Gone.  A party to control?  Gone.  Explicit goals?  Gone.  This game is just not fun in any way.  I didn't know people could systematically destroy a whole genre like this.

The worst part of all of this is actually the gaslighting.  I still hear people to this day trying to convince me that these are good games.  No, they aren't!  I've played them, and I know they suck!  Morrowind is probably the worst, because it's turned into Skyrim love.  I look at the reviews for Skyrim, "This game is great.  It's just like Morrowind."  Dammit!  So many people think Elder Scrolls are good games.  They have been gaslighted.  (At least this is how it feels to me.)  It sucks, because these games sell, and so more sucky games end up getting made.  Zelda actually got a course correction with Breath of the Wild, but Elder Scrolls and 3D Mario are still being made unchecked.  And these games end up influencing other games, so in the end there are fewer games out there which I actually like playing.  It sucks.

And I say horseshit to that, and explained you why - Morrowind was not the first, TES was not the first and just because you've missed the whole branch of video RPG development doesn't make the whole genre destroyed by one game.