HoloDust said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:
Everyone has different tastes. People are free to like whatever they want. Gaslighting is about lies being spread like they are the truth. What I am saying is about more than just taste.
Some games are pretending to be something they are not. It becomes more obvious though when the imposter game is put up against the real thing. Mario 64 and New Super Mario Bros were both put on the DS. The market chose 2D Mario by a landslide. This happened again on the Wii with the big budget Mario Galaxy and the smaller budget NSMB Wii. 2D Mario sold more by a landslide. But if you go online everyone will tell you that 3D Mario is the "real Mario". That is gaslighting. In fact 2D Mario came first and is far more popular. The real Mario is actually 2D Mario.
I am saying the same thing about the other games. Wind Waker is not real Zelda. It's a spinoff posing as the real thing. You can like the game if you want, but it's just not the real thing. I like Dragon Quest Builders and Final Fantasy Tactics, but I know these are spinoff games.
The Elder Scrolls gaslights the whole RPG genre. No one used the term JRPG in the NES days when Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy were first made. There were plenty of RPGs made by Western developers on PC, but no one used the term JRPG. They started using this when Elder Scrolls became popular. First they invent the term JRPG and then they tell you why JRPGs suck. ("Turn based RPGs shouldn't even be made anymore.") That is gaslighting.
Again, I want to reiterate that your tastes are not wrong. You like Wind Waker, and I don't. If that were the only issue then I would have no problem. But when someone is gaslighting, they will tell you your tastes are wrong. Go a few posts above this one and you'll see a guy saying it is my fault that I don't like Morrowind. That is part of the gaslighting. He may even be very authentic when he says this. The most effective gaslighters have been gaslighted themselves. They spread lies authentically believing they are the truth. But they also need you to validate their lies. I have to like The Elder Scrolls or it's my fault. If I like The Elder Scrolls then it validates the gaslighting.
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You don't have to like TES. But saying that TES magically ruined the genre is just horseshit. It existed way back in 90s.and people were still choosing other RPGs over it. Morrowind just managed to somewhat infiltrate part of mainstream audience...and taht was about it.
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Perhaps you are right. Perhaps The Elder Scrolls games are neither popular nor influential. To me it appears it has been fairly influential.
Last edited by The_Liquid_Laser - on 08 June 2020
