goopy20 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
Of course you are putting spin on everything. Or can you link me to where Microsoft has flat out said they'll have no "full blown" next gen games for years? Or how they're neutering all XSX games so that their games can also run on a "potato PC"? You can't, because they haven't said anything like that, you're just taking their comments and spinning them to what you believe they mean or want to believe they mean. Take the four articles you linked.
MS doesn't care if you buy the XSX - Adorable that you cut out the other part of the headline, the part where the article says it's a brilliant strategy. But you aren't trying to spin anything. Never mind that, nothing in the article supports the theories you are throwing out about the direction MS is going. It also says that of course MS wants people to buy an XSX.
Google/Amazon - This is only about streaming and Papa Phil has multiple times stated it's at least a decade away from being the standard. Also irrelevant to what you're saying about XSX and potato PC's because streaming content doesn't require any hardware. You can stream games off of a television. That doesn't mean MS is designing games to work on a Samsung TV.
Matt Booty quote - He said at the end of 2019 that for "one year, two years" games will work across both consoles. You've repeatedly said it would be longer, talking sometimes about four and five year cross gen support. So again, here is you putting spin on things people say to suit your opinion.
Feel of 60fps quote - Here is where things get taken out of context. You've used this quote to imply that Phil is running damage control about disappointing footage of games from the "conference". Or, you've implied that MS is focusing on making games work on every possible device and thus they don't look impressive graphically. In the actual podcast Reginald asks him about any aspect of showing off next gen that has been difficult due to COVID and he replied about people not getting a chance to hold the controller and feel the games. He mentioned the Wii and how if you were just looking at videos of the games or videos of people playing, you wouldn't see anything all that special but once you held the controllers in your hands and played, that's where you'd connect the dots. Obviously the difference between watching and playing won't be as jarring with XSX as it was with Wii but his point is legit and it's also something Sony will struggle with.. as soon as they actually show some games anyway.
So please, don't talk down to others about how you're "just repeating what MS says" because you aren't, not even close :)
Regarding Gears, you made reference to the scalability of Minecraft and Fortnite which have integrated graphics as their minimum specs and called that "potato PC's" so of course now you're shifting the goal posts and I guess a 750 is the same as integrated lol. Funny, per usual.
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It's not me making up theories or spinning things. MS has openly said all those thing and we've already seen what "optimized for Series X" games actually look like. MS is calling it next gen games that people need to "feel" in order to understand why they are next gen in the first place.
I wouldn't say Phil Spencer was doing damage control. It's just that they have put their strategy in motion and they're running with it. Sony didn't need people to "feel" that UE5 demo, nor should any next gen game. People should be able to look at them and instantly see the difference between current gen and get excited about it.
Are you sure MS isn't already making games that'll run on Samsung TV? MS is already in talks about bringing Xcloud to Samsung tv's and phones... MS truly believes there's not going to be another console generation after this one and is convinced dedicated gaming consoles/pc's will be as obsolete as DVD players are now.
Microsoft and Samsung partner on Xbox cloud-based game streaming
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/12/21134167/microsoft-samsung-xbox-partnership-xcloud-cloud-game-streaming
Fair enough, maybe I am exaggerating a bit when I say potato pc. But lets be honest, a 750ti isn't exactly cutting edge in 2020. I do believe MS will be targeting higher than that with their Series X games. My guess is something like a GTX1060 for the first couple of years. But unless Nvidia and AMD will be practically giving them away for free, it's definitely not going to be a RTX2070 Super and a NVME SSD, like what Sony will likely be targeting with their exclusives from day one.
Just think about it man. How is MS supposed to grow their GP subscribers when they start putting games on there that only 3% of the potential pc gamers will be able to run?
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I'm talking games designed for Samsung TV's, not cloud gaming streamed to them. Since you think everything must be designed for the lowest common denominator. Also we haven't seen what games optimized for XSX look like. We've seen a very small sample from small studios. That would be like me saying we've already seen what PS5 games look like, just look at Godfall. Does that make sense? Of course it doesn't.
You're still taking Phil's quote about the feel entirely out of context. How surprising. Also, MS will grow GP by selling tens of millions of XSX consoles, and using xCloud to stream games to phones and televisions, and increasing their PC presence. All of that is infinitely more logical than "uh lets release the most powerful console ever but actually design our games to run on integrated graphics cards and support the launch Xbox One" lol.
