By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close
psychicscubadiver said:

Metroid Other M: This is the game that made me stop pre-ordering games. We were fresh off the end of the Prime Trilogy and so hyped to hear that Ninja Thoery was making the next one. The controls were decent, the gameplay was mediocre, and the story was awful.

The_Liquid_Laser said:

The worst part of all of this is actually the gaslighting.  I still hear people to this day trying to convince me that these are good games.  No, they aren't!  I've played them, and I know they suck!  Morrowind is probably the worst, because it's turned into Skyrim love.  I look at the reviews for Skyrim, "This game is great.  It's just like Morrowind."  Dammit!  So many people think Elder Scrolls are good games.  They have been gaslighted.  (At least this is how it feels to me.)  It sucks, because these games sell, and so more sucky games end up getting made.  Zelda actually got a course correction with Breath of the Wild, but Elder Scrolls and 3D Mario are still being made unchecked.  And these games end up influencing other games, so in the end there are fewer games out there which I actually like playing.  It sucks.

Have you ever considered that it's not 'gaslighting' and just people like games you don't? I can't speak for Morrowind because I've never played it, but I loved Wind Waker and Mario 64 as a kid. There are plenty of popular games that I don't enjoy, like the entire GTA series or Civilization series, but I don't assume people are lying to me or have been tricked into enjoying them. I just assume I enjoy different things.

Everyone has different tastes.  People are free to like whatever they want.  Gaslighting is about lies being spread like they are the truth.  What I am saying is about more than just taste. 

Some games are pretending to be something they are not.  It becomes more obvious though when the imposter game is put up against the real thing.  Mario 64 and New Super Mario Bros were both put on the DS.  The market chose 2D Mario by a landslide.  This happened again on the Wii with the big budget Mario Galaxy and the smaller budget NSMB Wii.  2D Mario sold more by a landslide.  But if you go online everyone will tell you that 3D Mario is the "real Mario".  That is gaslighting.  In fact 2D Mario came first and is far more popular.  The real Mario is actually 2D Mario.

I am saying the same thing about the other games.  Wind Waker is not real Zelda.  It's a spinoff posing as the real thing.  You can like the game if you want, but it's just not the real thing.  I like Dragon Quest Builders and Final Fantasy Tactics, but I know these are spinoff games. 

The Elder Scrolls gaslights the whole RPG genre.  No one used the term JRPG in the NES days when Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy were first made.  There were plenty of RPGs made by Western developers on PC, but no one used the term JRPG.  They started using this when Elder Scrolls became popular.  First they invent the term JRPG and then they tell you why JRPGs suck.  ("Turn based RPGs shouldn't even be made anymore.")  That is gaslighting.

Again, I want to reiterate that your tastes are not wrong.  You like Wind Waker, and I don't.  If that were the only issue then I would have no problem.  But when someone is gaslighting, they will tell you your tastes are wrong.  Go a few posts above this one and you'll see a guy saying it is my fault that I don't like Morrowind.  That is part of the gaslighting.  He may even be very authentic when he says this.  The most effective gaslighters have been gaslighted themselves.  They spread lies authentically believing they are the truth.  But they also need you to validate their lies.  I have to like The Elder Scrolls or it's my fault.  If I like The Elder Scrolls then it validates the gaslighting.