Xbox Series X: The Most Powerful and Compatible Next Gen System

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goopy20 said:

LudicrousSpeed said:

You do realize that PC's don't have generations, right? So a game being next gen only = it's not coming to Xbone or PS4. Like Scorn, and Bright Memory Infinite. People haven't been super excited about Godfall because what has been shown has looked very generic. It has nothing to do with PC specs. You honestly think most people who look at these things online have any idea what the PC minimum specs will be or care? Also it's funny that you're aware of the idea of minimum specs when you think it suits your agenda but are oblivious to them when it doesn't.

Kind of like how your whole idea of what qualifies as next gen has shifted to exclude whatever MS does. First it was groundbreaking gameplay and elements that can only be done on new hardware. When it was apparent that you were wrong and even Sony wouldn't have games like that, you changed it to "uh well it's just about incredible graphics! got to show off that power!" despite the fact that literally every console launches with games that have immense graphics upgrades over the previous gens. Even cross gen multiplat games can look way better on new hardware. So again it was apparent you were wrong and now it's about some supposed cosmic shift in direction that you claim MS is making. They're marketing the XSX based on its power but according to you they aren't really going to utilize that power because uh.. PC's have some specs zzzzzzz.

Funny you mention Halo Infinite, the game being worked on by Stinkles, who you repeatedly post an interview of saying that devs target the best hardware and work down, that the XSX version will be incredible, among other quotes devastating to your agenda, but you ignore them and focus on where he says the Xbone version will play great. Because you for some reason believe the Xbone version looking great means the XSX version cannot. Forza 8 can look amazing on Xbone and still be built for the XSX. You continue to ignore the evidence of impressive cross gen games given to you, even from Microsoft themselves, because they are damaging to your agenda. It's funnier than ever now because you're so eager to talk about what "Sony did" with this UE5 tech demo. Funny because one, Sony didn't do anything with it, Epic made it. And two, it showcases the exact type of scaling possibilities everyone has been telling you about for months now, but it took a tech demo on PS5 for you to witness it, though you clearly still don't understand it.

Lastly, the PS5 logo itself generated more buzz than the reveal of the XSX console. I know that you want to harp on like rates and Instagram shares and tweets because they suit your agenda but in the end Playstation is just a more popular brand and will get more buzz regardless. Again, see: PS5 logo reaction. So I don't give a shit about how people respond to the "conference" MS just had or the July "conference". Hope that helps.

You're right, nobody cares about specs, people just look at the games. And when it comes to next gen graphics, they should be self explanatory. My half blind granny could look at that UE5 demo and immediately tell the difference from current gen. MS failed to do the same with their "optimized for Series X" games and have literally said that it's harder to promote their next gen games because people need to feel 60fps and 4k. 

The UE5 engine might scale all the way down to mobiles but that tech demo, does not. The whole point of it was to show what the ps5, and their SSD tech in particular, can do. Maybe it does run on a RTX2070 Super with a NVME SSD, but it would still be physically impossible to run on current gen consoles, unlike any of the "optimized for Series X" games we've seen that'll run fine on a Xone. That is the difference between games "that just like pc, scale up and down a family of devices (including the Xone)" and games that are specifically designed for next gen hardware.

Sony is going for the old fashioned approach and are doing a complete reset. They will probably show games during their reveal that can potentially take full advantage of the ps5 hardware, while MS is doing the exact opposite with Series X and are going for a more pc-like approach. This is not me speculating or making up theories, it's literally what Phil Spencer been talking about for months. Like I said, the difference between Halo Infinite on Xone and Series X, will likely be comparable to Gears 5 on Xone vs the pc version on ultra settings. It will look a lot better but do you honestly believe it will have different ai, physics and completely different level design? Scaling down, like we're seeing on pc, doesn't really work like that man. 

Yeah people look at the games. You’re harping on a tech demo though, not a game lol. A tech demo that would look at least as good on XSX if not better since it has more power.

You expect PS5 launch titles to have big advancements in any of the things you listed? We went over this already in another thread where you were spreading this FUD. You even tried to tell us Infamous SS had big gameplay enhancements not possible on PS3 and linked to a DF article that said exactly what I was telling you already... it looked great but played like everything else. 

As for Halo, who knows? We can go with what your optimistic gut is telling us, or what the developers of the game say and Microsoft’s own history with cross gen games. Tough call.