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Pemalite said:
tsogud said:

Yeah. You're definitely part of the problem. And you need to listen and learn and come correct before you start talking about things you don't fully understand.

Being a cop is a choice, being black is not. Signing up for corrupt and racist institution and being complicit is a choice, being killed by an officer because your black isn't. Every cop who doesn't stand up and speak is complicit and enables violence. Silence is violence.

I think the issue I have with all of this... Is that people are painting all police officers with the same coloured brush.
...And that is equally as dangerous as painting all African Americans with the same coloured brush.

Using your logic of silence is violence can be applied to any demographic, if you have a person of colour murder someone, should we label every person of colour the same? No. No we do not. That is how racism and bigotry starts and that just isn't acceptable. Ever.

Just because it's an Authority on the receiving end doesn't change that. - First responders (And I will include police in this) are typically trained to "take a step back" if they are uncomfortable with something, there isn't any shame in police officers taking a step back and not getting involved, you will not be caught in any crossfire from either side then.

tsogud said:

Why aren't you giving the same benefit of the doubt to the actual protesters? How come it's only a few bad apples when it comes to the police but all the protesters are acting in extremist ways?? And most of the lives hurt and/or lost were the protesters when the police acted with violence and instigated the peaceful protests btw.

It's not just this one officer, it's not just this one murder, it's not just this one event. It's decades long police brutality upheld by a centuries old oppressive, systematically racist form of governance that values the lives of black people less than that of white people. This hatred has woven itself into every institution in America. These protests, not the violence agitated by the police, are the manifestation of the voices of people that aren't being heard and that aren't being protected and provided for like they should.

I would assume a large proportion of protestors aren't doing the wrong thing, could have framed my statements a little better, I have not and will not pick a side in this childish bullshit.
But from the visual representation I have seen, things are pretty extreme and the protestors and counter protestors are being extremist.

Demonstrations need to be peaceful, it needs to take the legal route.
If someone takes the low road, you take the high road.

Either side cannot be forgiven for their transgressions and those people need to be held accountable in the rule of law.

I am part of the LGBTQI community, I know very well from first hand experience what it's like to be on the receiving end of discrimination, especially as someone who was "out" when the country was very homophobic, but no way is causing violence and destruction an appropriate answer.



You are falsely equating a profession, with which you have a choice, with a racial group, with which you don't. How can that make sense to you?? They chose to be a cop, they chose to take and follow an oath to protect the citizens of their country not murder them, they chose to stay silent and standby while someone was getting murdered. You don't choose, or change, your race, you don't choose the society in which you are born into, you don't choose to be systematically targeted because of the color of your skin. Their badge comes off at the end of their shift or when they quit or get fired, but black people cannot take off their skin when they're tired of the injustices. They are themselves 24/7 and because of that they're callously targeted by an oppressive system day in and day out. How can you seriously equate the two and treat it as if they don't have any major difference??

We need major criminal justice reform in America and defunding of the police across the board to ever hope to stop the problem of police brutality that's been going on for decades. The system is broken and has been broken for far too long.

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality." - Desmond Tutu

You can't, as a white person, decide how black and brown people are supposed to act when their family members are being murdered in cold blood. That's just not how it works. The same way a straight cis person can't decide when and how it's appropriate for queer people to protest the injustices and murder of their own. What do you think happened at Stonewall?? What do you think happened when black people demanded not to be property?? Do you think they just held hands with the slave owners and the KKK and sang Kumbaya until they felt guilty and everything was solved?? It is never when the oppressor is comfortable with change that actual change happens, because they are never going to be comfortable, change has to be demanded by the people. From what you're saying, if you were alive back then you'd describe the slaves as extremists because they didn't take your self described "proper route"???

In our constitution it says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

The current system of governance has never appropriately and fairly secured these unalienable rights for black people in this country. EVERY. SINGLE. INSTITUTION. Whether it's housing, education, the crimal justice system, etc. has systematically, overtly and covertly, targeted black and brown people in America for centuries. Until there's justice there can never truly be any peace.

Last edited by tsogud - on 01 June 2020