KLAMarine said:
sundin13 said:
How you feel the victim should have been acting is entirely irrelevant. The relevant question is "Was Arbery legally allowed to act in self defense", and I don't think there is any argument against this. If there is, you certainly haven't presented it. If a fast food worker feels they are in danger and tries to grab the gun that the robber is pointing at them, the robber isn't suddenly legally allowed to shoot the worker.
What you think is best practice for victims is entirely irrelevant to the legal questions at hand...
Actually, for everyone's benefit, I'll just list out what I believe to be the relevant legal questions (If anyone has anything more, feel free to chime in):
1) Were the actors legally allowed to arrest Arbery?
2) Was Arbery legally allowed to act in self-defense?
3) Was the shooter legally allowed to act in self-defense?
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Good questions... I kinda wanna leave it up to the court at this point.
At least they're getting paid for their time...
JWeinCom said:
So... if a robber shows up in your store and tries to rob you, and you try to disarm them and gets shot, the robber should not be charged with any crime? The rule you're suggesting is that when someone has a gun they get to do what they like without criminal repercussions?
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Where did you get the idea that I thought the gunmen should get off without any charges? Was it a post of mine earlier in this thread?
Runa216 said:
I could, but everything I've read from you gives me the impression that you'll make up some long-winded rant about what I say, completely disregarding or resorting to hilarious logical fallacies to prove your point. Again, you're so far away from reality that it's genuinely not worth my time to put in the point-by-point breakdown that SpokenTruth and others have already done.
I might as well be playing dodge ball with Flat-earthers where each ball is a globe for all the good it'd do either of us.
I've seen plenty of people who actually care about logic, rationality, and maturity in this very heated, very serious discussion. you are not one of them.
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Well until you break it down, I'm afraid I can't help you.
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"In this situation, what rules are you suggesting? What do I have to do as the victim? What do I have to wait for before I could defend myself? Should I have When should the gunman have a legal right to shoot me without legal repercussions?"
That was my question, and you responded with an example with robbers and that you shouldn't try to defend yourself... so that seems to me that you're saying that's a situation where someone can shoot without repercussions.
But pretty much every post you made seemed to indicate to me that you didn't think the killers should face any consequences. If I misunderstood you on either point, then feel free to clarify your position.
