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Captain_Yuri said:

vivster said:

If the Ampere rumors are true I have a hard time believing that Big Navi will beat a 3080, let alone a ti. When was the last time AMD could go toe to toe with a non-Titan Flagship?

OMG, I just watched that video. Please tell me you guys are NOT pronouncing it "Ampeer" and instead use the correct pronunciation "Ampair".

We will see how it goes but I myself have doubts as well. If the Series X has 52 CUs + RDNA 2 which is already a lot more than a 5700 XT at 40 CUs but it performs similar to a 2080, how many more will they be able to add to big navi so that it will beat a 3080 and not have ridiculous cooling/power requirements?

Keep in mind that the 5700XT is a mid range GPU meant to replace Polaris which was at 36CU...
And when comparing the 5700XT... It manages to match the RTX 2080, but nVidia is still stuck at 12nm (Which is an enhanced 14/16nm process, which in turn is based on 20nm), things will really get interesting when there is fabrication parity between AMD and nVidia.

AMD is enjoying some good profit margins on RDNA though.

Plus RDNA1 is a hybrid GPU architecture, it's not purely RDNA, it's built on top of Graphics Core Next and comes with some of it's pro's and con's.
RDNA2 should be a significant departure from that and should bring forth a slew of efficiency enhancements... Touch wood.

I think it's clear from this point that it's going to take a few years for AMD to do what it did to Intel... To nVidia. - nVidia hasn't stopped innovating and bringing in new features and enhancements, so it's a much harder task.

Chazore said:

Bofferbrauer2 said:

At that clock speed for instance, the XSX GPU would be at 15 TF, which is nothing to sneeze at, and a full 64CU GPU at that speed certainly could also threaten Ampere.

Do you think XSX is going to be a far bigger threat to an unreleased GPU line?. I dunno, I'm finding that a bit hard to believe. For the longest time, PC's have managed to outpace console performance, even out the gate, albeit a years time if not 2. I just don't expect the gap to suddenly widen from the console side to PC.

RDNA2 and Ampere should be starting to trickle onto the market, putting the PC ahead of the consoles at around the same time frame.

It's like when the Playstation 3 launched using a "high-end" Geforce 7 class GPU, nVidia dropped the Geforce 8000 a month or two prior which made the Geforce 7 series seem highly antiquated.