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Chazore said:

Captain_Yuri said:

It's technically at "clock speeds similar to mobile gpus" so the actual clock speeds will probably be higher. AMD essentially needs a two generational leap in order to be competitive with Nvidia's high end cause unlike Intel, Nvidia hasn't been sitting around...

It will all come down to the prices at the end of the day. You can have a 100 TF GPU but if it costs as much as a house, I'd rather take the 14 TF...

That's what gets me though. They're managing to lift their weight around against Intel, but they just somehow cannot pick up the pace with Nvidia. By the time they even bother to, they'll be outpaced by Nvidia again, and again, and again, like they're stuck in some temporal infinite loop of never improving or getting so very close to what NV do. 

This is why I hate Adored on Youtube, because that smug Scot thinks AMD's won the entire war, despite the fact that AMD are pretty much just putting focus on low to mid end. Can you imagine if they supposedly "won" this war, and the high end just vanishes?, because that's what he makes it sound like, a "non issue". 

I mean, yeah, I getcha on the whole price ratio. It's why I'm not really seeing myself grabbing a 3080ti, considering I own a 1080ti, that would be most logical of me to go for it, but I've had enough insight into how high priced the 2000 series is, so I know a 3080ti will cost way more than my current card, meaning I'll have to go for the 3080 instead (which isn't that bad of a choice, since I'll still be sticking to 1440p, until the day 4k OLED becomes cheap as chips, which is years and years away). 

Well the thing with AMD vs Intel is, for AMD to have won, Intel needed to have stopped progressing... And that is exactly what they did. This is speculation but Intel was so focused on trying to get 10nm and FX left AMD so out of the picture that Intel never bothered to pursue anything else. They figured that if AMD were to make another CPU, they wouldn't be able to catch up to Intel's IPC lead so it wouldn't matter. And if AMD went for the high core count aspect, the yields would be similar if not worse compared to Intels.

What they didn't account for is something like the infinity fabric which gave AMD the ability to have high yields and high core count while having really good performance. There are some performance penalty compared to Intel's approach but it's mainly a non issue.

Nvidia however has been progressing and hasn't stopped. Yea the Value of 2000 series is shit but it was more of a hold off until 7nm was ready. If you look at a pessimistic point of view from what the 5000 series is by comparison... AMD had everything going for them. Nvidia had shit pricing because 2000 series had ray tracing and tensor cores before they were ready to do anything meaningful and the game performance wasn't that different from Pascal other than 2080 Ti. Yet some how, the 5000 series not only had similar pricing to 2000 series, it couldn't compete against Nvidia's high end while not having Ray Tracing or Tensor Cores. And the biggest kicker is that the 1080Ti is still more powerful in average than 5700 XT and they still had driver problems.

It's hard for me to recommend a 5000 series to anyone cause people say that 2000 series is gonna age like milk due to having Ray Tracing and Tensor cores before it was ready... Shit where does that leave the 5000 series that doesn't even have it while costing the same?

Anyway, unless AMD can pull a magic trick out of it's hat and I do want them to, the only way they will catch up to Nvidia is if Nvidia stops progressing or makes a big woopsie... A bigger one than the 2000 series...