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JWeinCom said:
Snoorlax said:

I'd argue that as well, but remember that Ellie is LGBTQ.

Do most people have a problem with Ellie for being LGBTQ?

I'm fairly certain most gamers have a problem with the direction the second game has taken and not with the inclusion of LGBT people it self. It's just that nowadays you can't question anything without being accused of a phobe, sexist or closed minded person. If Naughty Dog wanted to create a game where they can explore homosexual relationships better, then fine why not just make a new IP about it?

No they take an immensely popular game and basically say FU to the fans of the original and that's what gets them so angry. Sure there are a bunch of closed minded people here and there who hate the game just for including LGBT people but i really don't think we have an anti- Homo, Black, Women problem as a gamers community. 

Ok so Ellie is lesbian and while it was unexpected, yes, there was no outrage over this. If the developers never bothered to reveal her sexuality, nobody would really know or even care about it, you would just assume that the norm is heterosexual but that's not what they did with Ellie, No problem. They could've shown Joel to be gay from the start but they chose not to. See? Because that's how they set up their story. How come gamers can now be accused of anti-gay or anything like that just because we question the second games handling of it's story and characters?

In the second game Ellie and Joel are being thrown to the side for a new character nobody knows anything about, other than that she's out for revenge and happens to be trans and comes really out of nowhere. Fans just don't like the way this is going and i understand their frustration because it feels like we need to be lectured on acceptance when nobody had a problem with Ellie being gay.

Add, diversity if it adds to the story to character development, not for the sake of being "aware"

A quick google search confirms there was at least some reasonable level of outrage over Ellie being a lesbian.  Less than there is now, but that's likely due to the fact that homosexuality is far more accepted these days than being trans or some sort of gender non-conforming person.  Which I would say is at least partially due to how homosexuals have been portrayed in the media.  

There are also plenty of times that a franchise introduces a new character to focus on at the expense of the old.  I've never really seen this responded to with anything other than mild to moderate annoyance.

But the main problem is still something you're not getting.  You keep insisting that there has to be some special reason for a character to be "diverse".  

You wouldn't say "don't make a character white unless it adds to the story or character development".  

You wouldn't say "don't make a character black unless it adds to the story or character development".  

You wouldn't say "don't make a character Asian unless it adds to the story or character development".  

You wouldn't say "don't make a character blonde unless it adds to the story or character development".  

You wouldn't say "don't make a character straight unless it adds to the story or character development".  

You wouldn't say "don't make a character short unless it adds to the story or character development".  

Yet when it comes to this circumstance where someone is defying gender norms, either through their sexuality or the way the present themselves, there needs to be a special reason.  A character can't just be trans because that character happens to be trans.  What is the reason that there needs to be this special requirement?  I'm open to suggestions but the only logical reason I can think of is that people just don't like that group of people.

Sorry but im really feeling you're just reaching here.

Yes, there will always be a minority against gay portrayals in videogames and whatever else but lets not act as if The Last Of Us got bad scores, gamers stopped playing it, put the game down and pissed on it just because of homosexual representation.

Plenty of times, but this is a case where most fans feel it's not done right and they have every right to express their opinions about it.

I don't insist we need a special reason for gay characters, because again Ellie didn't have any reasons, she just happened to kiss another girl and yeah we got the message cool. I insist that we don't need existing franchises to make "awareness" a major point of the game applied to them in an unneccesary manner. Cause we all know racism exists, would i like the game if it centered around racism? Replace Ellie and Joel with Black or Latino characters instead? Not at all i'm sure most people wouldn't cause that's not what they bought the game for, they developed with these two characters, don't throw them away because of modern day politics.

BTW you apparently keep insisting that gamers are anti- LGTB and are the sole reason for there not being enough diversity in gaming. The only reason heterosexuality is viewed as the norm, as you said, in gaming is because most gamers are heterosexual white males, that's their target audience. I don't think it's because of their "closed minded nature" that LGBT, women and minorities aren't as represented as cisgendered white males in gaming. It's because these Game Studios only care about making a profit, notice how they want gamers to be more "open minded" about content they're not neccessarily looking for in their favorite games.

Honestly, if gamers Choose not to buy a game for it not being to their liking, wheter they're closed minded or not, they have every right not to support it and should not have to be attacked and accused for any isms or phobes for it.