Shaunodon said:
"The Patriots would have been spending a guaranteed $16 million on a one year deal for an OT." https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/what-can-patriots-do-salary-cap-space-freed-brady-contract "The Patriots will very likely have somewhere in the range of $13 million in cap space following the execution of Brady's new deal." You're telling me the great Belichick couldn't free another $3 mil in cap to shore up their o-line? I mean they were more than willing to carry over $5 mil in dead cap to have a short fling with Antonio Brown, all just on a whim. "an aging LT that underperformed in 2019" Trent Brown? The guy that just turned 27 and made the Pro Bowl? It's been laid out pretty clearly for you. The links are all there. The Patriots could've kept Trent Brown if they wanted. They instead kept cap open for players they aquired who did practically nothing (Sanu) or literally nothing (Brown), then had problems with their o-line and running game for basically the entire season. If you're gonna start a poll, I'd rather you did it here. Doesn't have to be this thread. But I don't ever check the NFL subreddit, and I'm not going to for this. Edit: I also have no desire to go back-and-forth over these semantics with you. Your statement was pretty conclusive that they couldn't have any space for Trent Brown. I've given you articles from fan sites not only disproving that, but also advocating for why it would've been the right move. "Applying the Franchise Tag for Brown at $15.6M might seem a bit impossible for the cap-strapped Pats, but as I demonstrated in a previous post, the Pats could get to $80M in cap space if they felt so inclined. And with over $80M available for 2019, paying Brown seems like a no brainer to me." How about you actually try researching and verifying some of the topics you talk about for once, so I don't have to keep wasting energy doing it for you. |
"The Patriots will very likely have somewhere in the range of $13 million in cap space following the execution of Brady's new deal. You're telling me the great Belichick couldn't free another $3 mil in cap to shore up their o-line? I mean they were more than willing to carry over $5 mil in dead cap to have a short fling with Antonio Brown, all just on a whim."
Right. $13 million (it was actually closer to $12 million when Brady's contract was finalized but that's a small nitpick) left over to spend on not only Trent Brown, but Stephen Gostkowski, Trey Flowers, and any other free agents they would go after (Michael Bennett, Jamie Collins, Demaryius Thomas, Danny Shelton, etc.). So let's assume that the Patriots do tag Trent Brown. How do you propose they pay for anyone else? You yourself are the one criticizing the team for not surrounding Brady with enough pieces, so would you rather them spend on those players, or basically bundle all of it into a single package for one offensive tackle?
Belichick realized pretty early on that there was no realistic way he could keep Brown around while simultaneously trying to shore up as what he viewed as areas of need. Sure, he could take steps to free up cap and sign Brown; restructure some contracts here and there like they did to fit Sanu in. But you're basically ensuring that you can't go after anyone in free agency. Look at the impact Brown made on the Raiders and compare it to, hell, just Collins and Shelton alone, who the Patriots paid less than half what the Raiders paid for Brown.
If you're gonna start a poll, I'd rather you did it here. Doesn't have to be this thread. But I don't ever check the NFL subreddit, and I'm not going to for this.
I mean, I can take a screenshot for you if the prospect of clicking on a link is truly that repulsive.
I'm also a little surprised that you'd trust this thread, given that it seems like you've insulted just about everyone on here at one point or another. But, very well, I'll change the poll. Note that we're going to have an extremely small sample size, so there's an inherent limitation on any conclusions you can draw.
"an aging LT that underperformed in 2019" Trent Brown? The guy that just turned 27 and made the Pro Bowl?
Brown missed an entire third of the season. He posted an AV of 7. Despite being the highest paid offensive lineman in the league, he wasn't even ranked on PFF's top 25 offensive linemen. In fairness to him, injury hurt his production, but it's tough to look at a contract of that size and say that he didn't underperform. Incidentally, that should probably tell you all you need to know about the concept of using a pro bowl as a measuring stick for the quality of a singular season. A guy who was injured for an entire third of the year made the pro bowl.
As for aging, yeah, for an o-linemen, mid-late 20s is certainly "getting up there."
Your statement was pretty conclusive that they couldn't have any space for Trent Brown.
Very well, since I have to apparently spell everything out to the finest detail.
Obviously, it was within the realm of human possibility for the Patriots to bring back Brown. Just like the Patriots could, if they really wanted to, release their entire offense to free up cap space and trade their next ten first round picks to bring in Aaron Rodgers. It should be extremely obvious that I'm not saying they literally did not have the ability to bring in Brown, but rather saying that there is no realistic way they could have without compromising a substantial part of their plans moving forward.
I've given you articles from fan sites not only disproving that, but also advocating for why it would've been the right move.
The article (singular, the other article just proposes going after Trent Williams) that you linked that actually supported going after Trent Brown advocated for doing so with exactly the same logic I explained above. Throw out any hope of getting free agents, give up on Flowers off the bat, and just shoot for Brown instead. So, again, if you're willing to go back on what you've argued for all along and say that the Patriots should have spent big on one person and then have had nothing to go after anyone else to improve the team, sure. Imo and in the view of most of the fanbase, that was utterly ridiculous. Most of the people who wanted to bring Brown back were thinking he'd be willing to take a team friendly contract at $11-$13 million a year. Very few thought it was realistic to tag him.
Trust me. I'm an actual fan of, you know, the team. I'm pretty familiar with how the Patriots' decision to let Brown leave went down.
How about you actually try researching and verifying some of the topics you talk about for once, so I don't have to keep wasting energy doing it for you.
I could realistically say the same to you. I'd encourage you to do the math yourself, if you don't believe me, rather than just googling articles supporting your position and parroting them without understanding the logic behind them. Here's the entire Patriots roster from 2019, along with their cap hits (you'll have to change the year to 2019). Please, by all means, tell me who you would cut in order to find room for an extra $13 million or so. Since you are obviously so well informed, I assume it will be easy for you.
