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MTZehvor said:
Shaunodon said:

https://www.patspulpit.com/2019/2/16/18227266/pats-off-season-making-the-case-for-the-franchise-tagging-of-trent

https://larrybrownsports.com/football/patriots-trent-williams-trade-using-money-saved-on-brady/507655

"They chose not to use the franchise tag on Trent Brown this offseason, and he signed a massive contract with the Oakland Raiders. Brown was New England’s left tackle last season, but the Patriots did not prioritize keeping him since they will be getting 2018 first-round pick Isaiah Wynn back after he missed his rookie season with a torn Achilles. Wynn has not been able to participate in full at training camp this year, and he has never appeared in an NFL game."

Are we gonna keep playing this game? I'm already 1-for-1. I wouldn't be against you making a poll to ask people who they believe will have the better defense this season, and then seeing how the teams actually pan out. I mean you're pretty confident in your team, right? They kept '"vrtually the entire starting roster on that side of the ball", and if they're that good, there's nothing to worry about right?

...do you know how the franchise tag works? The Patriots would have been spending a guaranteed $16 million on a one year deal for an OT. That's even more per year than the 5 year, $66 million he got from Oakland. The franchise tag is an even more expensive way to keep a player on a short term contract so a team doesn't have to commit to them. The Patriots had roughly a million dollars left in the cap by the time the regular season began. They would have had to jettison so many other players to sign a contract for an aging LT that underperformed in 2019.

Alternatively the Patriots could have TT'd him but then he would still be free to leave for Oakland so that ultimately doesn't change anything.

And, for what it's worth, according to reports, the Patriots did, actually, try to make a deal for Williams (although it's still not clear how New England would have fit him under the cap/who they would have cut). But Washington wasn't interested. A multitude of teams actually contacted Washington looking for a trade, but they refused to do so even after Williams started holding out.

So, no, you're not 1 for 1. All you've done is suggest that the Patriots somehow spend even more money that they didn't have/trade for a player that the Redskins wouldn't trade.

I wouldn't be against you making a poll to ask people who they believe will have the better defense this season, and then seeing how the teams actually pan out. I mean you're pretty confident in your team, right? They kept '"vrtually the entire starting roster on that side of the ball", and if they're that good, there's nothing to worry about right?

Sure, although I should emphasize again it's not just me that thinks this way. Oddsmakers have New England as the favorite to give up the fewest points and yards allowed this season, and despite having a clearly worse offense than the Steelers and a more difficult schedule, the Patriots are favored to win the same number of games (something that would only happen with a superior defense). But no, I don't mind a poll one bit. Is the NFL subreddit an acceptable place in your mind for it to be posted?

"The Patriots would have been spending a guaranteed $16 million on a one year deal for an OT."

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/what-can-patriots-do-salary-cap-space-freed-brady-contract

"The Patriots will very likely have somewhere in the range of $13 million in cap space following the execution of Brady's new deal."

You're telling me the great Belichick couldn't free another $3 mil in cap to shore up their o-line? I mean they were more than willing to carry over $5 mil in dead cap to have a short fling with Antonio Brown, all just on a whim.

"an aging LT that underperformed in 2019" Trent Brown? The guy that just turned 27 and made the Pro Bowl?

It's been laid out pretty clearly for you. The links are all there. The Patriots could've kept Trent Brown if they wanted. They instead kept cap open for players they aquired who did practically nothing (Sanu) or literally nothing (Brown), then had problems with their o-line and running game for basically the entire season.

If you're gonna start a poll, I'd rather you did it here. Doesn't have to be this thread. But I don't ever check the NFL subreddit, and I'm not going to for this.

Edit: I also have no desire to go back-and-forth over these semantics with you. Your statement was pretty conclusive that they couldn't have any space for Trent Brown. I've given you articles from fan sites not only disproving that, but also advocating for why it would've been the right move.

"Applying the Franchise Tag for Brown at $15.6M might seem a bit impossible for the cap-strapped Pats, but as I demonstrated in a previous post, the Pats could get to $80M in cap space if they felt so inclined. And with over $80M available for 2019, paying Brown seems like a no brainer to me."

How about you actually try researching and verifying some of the topics you talk about for once, so I don't have to keep wasting energy doing it for you.

Last edited by Shaunodon - on 25 April 2020