vivster said:
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You say that there is no point of a bunch of dead rocks to exist. Then why do a bunch of dead rocks exist in the first place? Also, what makes you think that humans are in any way special? In the grand scheme of the universe humans and any other living things are random bunched up atoms that follow natural physical laws. Nothing about humans is special, we're no more than fleshy rocks. We exist from the very same atoms that are abundant everywhere in the universe.
if there is no god then indeed we are a result of random atoms coming together in the right conditions, which leads to us being a kind of insanely over-complicated robots, programmed by DNA sequences on how to respond based on our surroundings... WITH NO FREE WILL - can science prove that we have no free will?
there cannot be proof for god - just signs - but the contrary can be proved!! yet science cannot prove that there is no free will
Christianity supports that god gave us free will (or what we call a soul), and that's what makes humans special
Next point. Religious people like to use god as an example of the creator of the universe because as of now we cannot accurately explain what happened before the big bang. That's really cool and all. I cannot say either and I would be a really bad scientist if I completely rejected the notion that the universe might have been caused by an intelligent entity that lives outside of it. However here comes my big problem with religion. It is a huge jump from "someone created the universe" to "there is that bearded fellow who knows all, does all and loves us so much". I do not reject the theory of a grand creator, but I do very much reject the notion of every religion to portray that creator as omnipotent, omnipresent AND omnibenevolent when it is obvious that he cannot possibly be all 3.
yes you definitely have a point here!! personally I accept that there is a creator by mathematical probability, and therefore it makes sense to me that such a being would try to reach us and shows us some basic things after watching our shit, and based on that, if there is a religion that can be true, that is Christianity, based on how Jesus teaching makes sense, how it is the faith that gives us hope, reasonable freedom compared to other religions and a better life in general, and there are too many coincidences with science of course, even the evidence that Old Testament was written hundreds of year BC and yet evidence that Christ existed when he did, predicted to change the world, and his teachings are just so real, , things that science can never teach ya, his early followers going through the worse of humanity to deny him, and the list goes on and on, it is just makes too much sense to me to be fake, even the most genius writer could never plot that through the centuries...!!
Christianity accepts that we cannot understand god, we have some guidance from him or the trinity or whatever but that's it, there's absolutely no point trying to figure out something beyond our understanding, just like a dog can never understand wtf its owners are doing :P we just live our lives in hope, trying our best under Jesus, and we will all find out eventually
I don't reject things because of ancient representations and interpretations, I read things myself, and god could literally be anything, a deity, a universal power, a nature force, anything we cannot reach-understand, god is just a word for the creator
in my view agnostic and Christian is not that far, one of the reasons why I do not stick to sub-divisions... Christians believe that the creator saw our shit and did something to guide us, no need to be bothered much with what exactly god is, it is his existence that matters
The story of how the universe started is a mystery, but everything that happened after the big bang is 100% explainable by simple physics, without the need of any additional influence.
... simple physics? there are so many things on the human body that we cannot explain, otherwise we would be able to fix anything on our body, we would resurrect the dead and be immortal... science is incomplete
the big bang is everything! everything was perfectly calculated from the start, without the big bang and what caused it, there would be no physics to lead to us
makes more sense that such a being had a perfect plan from the start rather than doing things on the go
The fact that we haven't found life on other planets yet is a joke argument because humans are very much limited by physics and our range to detect things is so incredibly small that it's no wonder, especially considering how low the chances are for life to develop on a planet. Pulling that argument is like sitting in a boat in an ocean and then claiming that land doesn't exist because you can't see any.
the boat in the ocean.... but we know there is land right, otherwise where did the boat and human come from
based on chance, life beyond earth can very well exist, the point is how hard it is for the conditions to match for live to exist, and how huge the universe is, beyond our perception, that our advanced as we believe science could not detect even a slight sign, a radio wave, anything
On that notion I would like to pose another question. What happens if we do find life some day? What will this mean for an all powerful creator who has chosen earth to create life? Wouldn't that prove all the scriptures wrong?
the writings speak of how earth came to be inhabitable under god's creation, it does not refer to or exclude any extraterrestrial life, it would then have to explain planets and the universe etc which is not the aim here
I don't see how possible life on other planets comes into conflict with the scriptures, human is a result of god's creation by the bible, but so are the animals, plants, insects, microorganisms and everything else that is part of our very existence and survival, too
there could very well be any kind of life on other planets, but the most interesting question would be, are they just plant like or animal like creatures? or do they have enough intelligence to have been contacted and be guided by the creator? do they have enough intelligence to overcome animal instinct?
maybe they are much more intelligent than us and god came closer to them, gave them more abilities and senses that we cannot imagine so our science is a game for them, but then would they not have been able to contact us? have they done so in the long ancient past, crazy beings we see in South American caves and Egypt and we call human fantasy, but have been regarded as their gods? who knows, there are so many things unexplained like buildings and stone cuts that no way could be achieved at the stone age, they can barely be achieved today or not at all, scientists that leave all these possibilities open!!
I don't say I believe these things at all, I focus on what actually affects my life and my loved ones life, but is interesting to hear the arguments of those scientists and historians
damn I'm literally writing essays in here without even noticing :/
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