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JWeinCom on 20 April 2020
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dark_gh0st_b0y said:

I will reply to the sensible arguments when I get the chance, I'm in the mid of my exam period (online that is) :P

have in mind that in Christianity (meaning a follower of the Chirst) ANYTHING not said by JESUS is said by humans and therefore open to interpretation as of how it represents the 'will of god', and the interpretation given by ancient people is based on the knowledge and circumstances of the times, there is no obligation for Christians to follow anything that is not said by Jesus, modern believers know it well, but atheists conveniently stick to anything else except the word of Jesus...!!

I'll leave this here for now, just to clear up whether science and religion are compatible, another fact that atheists like to ignore, there are tons of PhD scientists that are religious, and I major in science myself

Nothing in the bible is said by Jesus.  The Gospels are not the words of Jesus, they are the words of the gospel writers, claiming to have accurately recorded the words of Jesus.  If human words are subject to error, then we have no way of knowing if Jesus actually said anything that is reported.  If on the other hand you claim the bible is divinely inspired and not subject to error, then you have to take the whole thing as true.  

Besides that, the laws are reportedly the words of god.  If you believe that the bible is accurately recorded at least, then the laws of leviticus are the words of god, and should carry equal weight to the words of Jesus.  If Jesus' recorded words supposedly show the will of god, then surely god's recorded words should show the will of god as well.  

Moreover, if you get rid of everything not said by Jesus, you'd have to get rid of the entirety of the old testament.  That means there's no original sin and no messianic prophecies.  So, no reason for Jesus to exist in the first place, and no way show he is the messiah.  

And of course, Jesus himself says the exact opposite of what you have said.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:18

Jesus specifically says that all of the laws in the old testament are still valid.  So if everything Jesus says is the will of god, then all of those laws are too.

Science and god are not compatible in the sense that belief in god can be scientifically justified.  There are definitely lots of very smart scientists that believe in god, (although many more that don't) but none of them have put forth a scientifically valid reason for this belief. 

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 20 April 2020