Outer World game design are held back by PS4 and Xbox One , another prove that Next gen will be held back by current gen if games are made for cross gen

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sales2099 said:

eva01beserk said:

No its not part of the argument because nobody is denying that or trying to say that it will impeed xbox after the 1-2 years window. Its the very definition of a strawman, something you believe its being discused because you yourself keep bringing up and you yourself answer.

While I dont know Holly's history From what i have been able to see at least from this thread I can tell thats not true. I doubt any of us can prove anything of the sort as we could never know what devs chose to add or remove from a game or for what reson they chose to do so. But rare chances like theese where devs speak out and tell us exactly what they had to cut out and for why come out and people are still in denial. What holly could do at most is pile up this chances so we have a tally and see what each dev sacrificed and see a pattern. But from what is out already we already know, we knew since the x1 and ps4 came out the cpu was to weak and now they are just garbage compared to everything else. Add to that the SSD and devs will have to sacrifice a lot to for crosgen.  

At underscored: Exactly. Its probably not a big deal. We just dont know, nor can we even picture what changes will there be aside from no load times. So all these mental gymnastics to denie something that we dont even know what will be is just silly. Im glad you can come to terms with it and wait and see if that advantage will be meaningful or not.

You right in that we have to wait and see. Doesn’t stop fans from one particular brand pushing the notion of held back cross gen games (rolls eyes).

Ok let’s be real, what’s the whole point of Hollys post? It’s easy to read between the lines when you can speak the console war tongue.  It’s “Series X games will be held back by cross gen, lol Sony doesn’t have that problem and thus their games will be superior”

- Redundant if the games meta score is amazing. Zelda BOTW, an example of cross gen being a unanimous success. 

- Witcher 3 and Hellblade on Switch prove the concept you can build high and scale down.

- Obsidian now has since staffed up, with MS time and resources to properly optimize their games in the Xbox/PC ecosystem. It’s common knowledge Outer Worlds had to make due with less then optimal resources. 

- My personal point that it’s all moot because PS5s early titles will lack the potential of its late gen exclusives. This applies to every console every gen no exceptions. 

It’s funny you mentioned straw man arguments because that’s exactly what the thread is. 

In bettween the lines you can asume he said anything. Thats why Im not concern with what he meant or what hhe is thinking but did not say. Fact is that xsx games will be held back in the first couple of years, what exactly what that means there is no way of knowing yet.

Metascore means nothing to the topic as we are talking capabitilies here. If a world is 100x bigger than the other is factor that wont change even if the game is good or not. That was never up for discution either, another strawman.

Witcher 3 and hellbalde prove nothing as they where years after the original release and MS stated that is not gona be the case.

Obisidian being small and underfunded I will agree with you there. With enough time and resources a good team can blow our minds regardles of specs. 

Your personal point means nothing as is something everybody knows. Its not a personal point to say water is wet. You saying that does not change the fact that for 1-2 years MS chose to hold back games. Anything after that wnt change thouse first games that came in tat period.

How is it a straw man? He maid the thread and topic about it. It added a devs experience to a topic that was previously discused and dismised by people like you that said due to scaling that was done since forever in pc, and games are made on higer ends pc nd scaled down to consoles that devs dint have to sacrifice anything and the x1 wont hold the xsx back.