Brexit

[Quartz]

JRPGfan said:

dark_gh0st_b0y said:

EU is in a real crisis at the moment due to the circumstances

if there was a country that had better avoid a crisis, that was Italy, their debt was already on the limit (due to corruption) and now this

but what does a real union mean anyway? that the rich North have to pay for the debt of the poor-corrupted South? how will the South society improve if others pay their debts? a real union is a fair one too

I really hope the EU makes it through without more losses or it's a finished matter, the EU and the Economic Zone is a huge hope for Europeans in a world of titans, if we let it slip through our hands we are very stupid as a continent

I predict that the actual Brexit will take another year extension, not enough time for negotiations and a no deal would be bad for an already weak UK economy that cannot take any more after the virus and the damage already done by Brexit... funny and ironic but only the flag and the parliament members did an exit - for now

edit: US elections could mean that the US trade deal is not guaranteed to come fast enough if Biden wins, another reason for extension

Europe has already given the UK like ~4 years of time (the vote was in 2016).
I think if UK has to ask for another extention, there should be some demands from EUs side / consessions from the UK.

It isnt right for the UK to pull the EU around by the nose, and dictate when things happend.
If anything that fact that the UK is now in a even weaker position, means the EU should pressure the UK.

I get the impression that you think the UK has had easy/plenty of time granted by the EU, that is not the case.

The UK is the 3rd biggest net contributor to the EU, I believe the UK should have every right to have a favourable deal, yes preferably being useful to both the UK and EU. https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-one-biggest-contributors-eu-budget/

"The UK also gives and receives much more money via trade with other EU countries, so transactions with the EU budget aren't the full story when it comes to the UK’s economic relationship with the rest of the EU."

Yes the UK had a vote in 2016. At that time it was Teresa May leader of the Conservative party who was pro remain with mostly pro remain party support and the opposing party (Labour) who was also pro remain trying to deliver a 'brexit' deal. In the media both the major parties (Conservative and Labour and other smaller parties) made big claims in the begining about honouring the vote to leave on live TV only to push a more pro remain deal which angered the population as a democratic vote was being actively subverted.

This eventually lead to a complete break down of parliment (and eventual replacement of the speaker) as the deal Teresa May made was basically capitulation to the EU as a colony and never actually leaving. 

Back when the UK joined the European Economic Community (EEC) it was based mainly upon economic interests to benefit both parties, however evolution has gone much beyond that, as in the European Courts having the power to override the courts of european countries themselves. People see this as power that has simply gone too far (an extra layer of bureaucracy that can not be overturned by a nation) and want out.

For the record I did vote leave and personally have no prejudice towards Europe and the people that live there, however I do believe the European Union has been seeking too much power in the last few years and now it appears to be close to falling apart.

Edit for spelling!

Last edited by Quartz - on 16 April 2020