| dark_gh0st_b0y said: not always, but those who do it is very wrong, that I agree |
Probably a few denominations that don't. But leveraging "hell" and the "devil" is terminology that is oft-used to scare individuals into submission.
| dark_gh0st_b0y said: excuse me? then religion is faith into a higher deity...! what bias, do we take the side-effects of both or we don't? if you criticize religion used in the wrong way you must also criticize science used in the wrong way, or you have no argument- there are substances we take in and forms of radiation that did not exist before that are proved to cause cancer, tons of them, otherwise cancer would be very rare |
Don't really understand what you are saying with the first sentence.
And yes, I do criticize religion... And I will criticize Science when used incorrectly... Hence why we are having this very discussion right now.
No. Cancer has always existed, Science itself isn't the cause for cancer. Science is the explanation of the natural world, it's not radiation, it's not even the technology that emits various forms of radiation, it's an explanation, it's a method, it's a framework.
Our ability to identify Cancers have also increased... And the amount of "unknown" deaths have decreased.
| dark_gh0st_b0y said: As for religious wars... Here is some reading. only the Yoguslav was Christian - and very stupid lol - 8/9 are mostly related with Islam, did you know Christians are the most persuaded social group in non-Christian countries? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades the true trigger of the Crusades was fear from the Arab world building and huge army - inspired by the Quran - which had already attacked the East Roman Empire and captured huge land (all of present Turkey) so the Greek king at the time asked the Pope for help as the Christian world was under threat, and the Crusade army was formed, something critical never mentioned in present documentaries, not to feed fanaticism |
You are trying to deflect here.
It's still all religion, the Quran... Torah... Bible... All based around the same middle-eastern abrahamic context, they are all cut from the same cloth, the fact it might be a different religion is irrelevant. Religion is religion.
You also have Lord Kony and the Lords Resistance Army in the modern era as well.
| dark_gh0st_b0y said: False how? And what part of genesis does it refute? Exactly the opposite, science confirms what can be confirmed from the genesis! |
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." - Genesis 1:1–2
That states the Earth formed before the Sun, when we know for a scientific fact it was the other way around.... This flatly contradicts the nebular hypothesis of stellar formation, in which planets form in the accretion disk created by a young star.
Genesis 1:6-8 also describes a "firmament" over the Earth, a solid dome... We know for a fact that is also false. - The Bibles Old Testament is pretty consistent in referencing and supporting the Babylonian model.
Genesis 7:11 - Noahs world-wide flood.
Here is the thing... I live on the oldest continent, with the oldest and most infertile soils in the world, Australia is the evidence that contradicts the Bibles claim of a flood in the last 6,000~ years. - The Aboriginal people of Australia literally have an entire civilization that has existed for allot longer than the Bible... Or a flood that supposedly wiped everything out.
I could keep going on. But I think you get the gist of how scientifically inaccurate the Bible is now. (Or will cling to the apologetic point of view and try and twist the literal meaning of the Bible.)
| dark_gh0st_b0y said: they are evidence for those who witnessed them!! the fact that they are individual and cannot be repeated any time as science experiments does not necessarily make them fake |
No. Anecdotal evidence is a logical fallacy and is to be discarded.
Fact of the matter is... People claim all sorts of bullshit, like they got abducted by aliens, that they can't see the curvature of the Earth at altitude so the Earth is flat and more.
Not to mention, people lie all the time, often for personal gain... Take all those exorcism rubbish on TV/Youtube. Clearly an act.
| dark_gh0st_b0y said: You can explain colour to a blind person, the imagination doesn't stop you know, colour doesn't have to be visual. explain it how? people born blind cannot even understand black! it's just not there |
You are only looking at it from a visual perspective rather than an imaginative one.
You can apply a colour to the feel, smell, temperature of something to a blind person, I have cared for blind people before when I was working in the health industry, it's actually not that hard.
| dark_gh0st_b0y said: why even bother if you are not religious? breaking one of the ten commandments such as murder would never be forgiven just by an apologize, one would have to truly realize the pain caused to others, go through the pain they caused and truly regret their actions in order to be forgiven |
So they would still be forgiven? Got'cha.
| dark_gh0st_b0y said: other than the flat earth thing which the bible never mentions for god's sake, and the crusade which was an unavoidable war, the rest witches/LGBTQIABCDEFG... thing was a part of human brutality, Jesus basic message is love and forgiveness, not kill those you don't agree with, but of course you only know how Christianity was used by psychopaths and not its true impact on the world, and trust me, it is not random the world's most civilized countries are the Christian ones 50,000-125,000 years human existed and that proves the Christian faith impact, we moved forward starting 2,000 years ago when Jesus came to show us how it's done, and it started from Christian countries, when people started to help and love and support each other rather than looking only their interests, and that led to real progress |
Listing "LGBTQIABCDEFG" just reinforces my point that the religious have a high disdain for the LGBTQI community and enjoys treating them like a joke... In short, Religion still hasn't progressed to accepting and treating everyone fairly.
Thank you for that. Couldn't have someone be anymore of a better example.
| dark_gh0st_b0y said: carried out by muslims who read the Quran that says to kill non-believers, guess what will happen when Christianity falls, many people who need religion will become muslims instead :/ |
Bible's Old Testament says to kill non-believers.
No. That is a false narrative, just because we ditch Christianity, doesn't mean people will rush over to another rubbish religion like Islam, most western nations are becoming more Atheist as time goes on.
| dark_gh0st_b0y said: Lastly, did you know that the Catholic church is world's biggest non-governmental donor? how the heck would it be better without it? LOL as it should be, love and compassion, Jesus main message focus on the true message, criticize those who try to abuse it for personal gain, not the faith itself |
You think religion is a requirement for that?
| o_O.Q said: You cannot separate the two and to think you could shows a complete lack of understanding of what science actual is Science as I have stated is a process carried out by people The end result of that process is therefore dependent on the philosophies of those people |
Science is the explanation of something, it explains how something functions, how it forms and more, it's not the result or cause of something.
Perhaps it's not I, who lacks an understanding of what science actually is?
| o_O.Q said: There's a kind of ridiculous notion that i think you are laboring under that all irrationality in humans can be tied back to religion and if we could just destroy religion people could become much more rational and that is such a wrong proposition that its absolutely incredible that anyone could entertain it |
Well. They definitely couldn't hide behind religion to justify their crimes or use religious indoctrination to "fool" people into terrorism.
The issue that terrorists have is they believe they will go to some sort of "heaven" for a certain action like suicide bombing, that is religious indoctrination being put forth to an evil deed... The annoying part is, you can't convince these individuals of anything else... Because Religion teaches their followers that people will try and force them to stray from their path of "righteousness" - It's toxic circular logic... Which is another logical fallacy.
| o_O.Q said: all of the philosophy on the left when it comes to how society should be governed is atheistic and largely determined by what leftists would claim is science, do you disagree with that? for example, when leftists say we should eat the rich, they claim this idea is based in scientific models showing increasing inequality correct? |
Say what? How does this have anything to do with your political ideologies? What you claim to be "left" or "right" wing is probably going to differ to mine anyway as it does all over the world.
| JWeinCom said: While religion can also lead to benefits (community, charity), these are benefits that we can have without religion. Studies done on religiosity and quality of life indicate that we can abandon religion without losing very much, and doing so would rid of a lot harm. |
Charity doesn't need religion. Part of the issue here is due to systemic government support and assistance that leans towards religious charities being given tax-breaks, financial support and more rather than atheistic ones.
In saying that, I refuse to support religious charities anyway... If anything the Australian bushfires have shown is that they are selfish and incompetent in assisting the public at large when society went to back them with millions of dollars worth of donations... As they only put a fraction of the donations back into help those affected.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-22/andrew-constance-attacks-red-cross-for-bushfire-donation-delays/11890538
The other issue is the bigotry... Salvation Army will never get my support due to their homophobic rhetoric years ago where an official stated that Gays deserve death.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/salvation-army-official-gays-deserve-death/321193/
Fuck religion.
| EricHiggin said: I'd like to see those cavemen's proofs. I can't imagine they would've suggested it to simply be "black magic". |
Uh... What?
You might be a little confused or lost here, not sure.
| EricHiggin said: There never used to be scientific evidence that gravity existed either. Did gravity only come about more recently? Something was going on behind the scenes. Better figure out how to prove what it is? How long do we wait to prove something before we give up? Still waiting on undeniable proof of exactly how the universe came into being. Guess that means the universe doesn't exist, or is irrelevant? |
The difference is... No one was proclaiming that gravity existed without a doubt before any evidence existed.
That is the difference between science and religion.
Someone rather took note of a specific set of cause and effect and went on to investigate using the scientific method.
It's a pretty basic concept and has proven to work time and again.
| EricHiggin said: Is Independence Day possible though? Seems like plenty of people aren't against other forms of intelligent life in the universe. If they do exist, could they be as powerful and hostile? Something we don't know for sure and can't say for certain as of now? Sounds sort of like... |
Now you are delving into conspiracy theories... Then again, Religion can possibly fall into conspiracy theories as well.
Some individuals do tend to have a predisposition for conspiracy theories anyway I guess.
| EricHiggin said: If it's important to know that this entertainment is fictional, why isn't that made more clear to kids? Why do we allow kids to play fight based on these idea's and sometimes even hurt each other? Why do we sometimes use this 'insulting' fiction to teach kids a valuable lesson? Does what a youngster learn, mold who they eventually become? |
That is the job of an Adult, parent, guardian, caregiver to teach and guide children through life.
| EricHiggin said: If you've spent much time around kids when their 'indoctrinating' parents aren't around, and they understand they can get away with more negative behavior, that's exactly what they do. You can literally watch their sympathy fade knowing they won't get in major trouble for not doing so. Now any good indoctrinated adult wouldn't let that go for long, but it doesn't change the fact that's what occurs as soon as you allow the rules to be bent or broken. Those rules are all part of the indoctrination process, and so why don't they happily and easily follow them? It's not natural, that's why. |
I think you are trying to twist the narrative into something it's not.
| EricHiggin said: Based on that, climate change for example is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously whatsoever by the public. Until science can undeniably know all factors and what they lead to, exactly, then it should simply be scientific doctrine. No green energy projects, no subsidies for those projects, no green taxes. |
Climate change is a scientific fact, it's got the functional models, it's had the research, Climatic change has been happening for millions of years and will continue to change indefinitely... Even past the point where this planet can no longer support the current life.
Climate change deniers are science deniers... And to put bluntly. Are idiots.
What is up for debate however is the extent of human-influenced climate change... And that is an entirely different discussion.
| dark_gh0st_b0y said: two different things that can co-exist, “Does God exist?” science cannot answer the question, nor can it teach us what to do with the physical well-being it provides, Jesus told us how to live - even though it is taken for-granted today, to the level that he is brutally attacked like he is the bad guy |
Science cannot answer the question on whether the flying spaghetti monster exists, does that mean it actually exists?
What about the Tooth Fairy? Easter Bunny? Mudkips? Giant Enemy Crabs? Science can't prove they exist either, does that mean they actually exist?
This is why the burden of proof is such a requirement... Because it allows us to throw out all bullshit claims... But the religious wish to be the exception to the rule.
| DraconianAC said: Because the human species is a sinful, destructive, engulfing cancer that was set loose upon the world to run havoc and ultimately destroy itself. So Jesus Christ, forgives your sins, whether you like it or not, and will accept you when you're ultimately are ready to take god into your heart. Please understand that God is not a picture, crucifix, or a religion. God is in your deeds, your faith, you words, and your actions. Men created the church, their rules, their games. Men will distort and shape information to fit their agenda. God will forgive and wait for your salvation. |
I don't think we should be in the business of forgiving those who do detestable things and giving them a pass to ever-lasting luxury while a first responder who has spent years saving lives gets eternal damnation.
That's not good, that's not loving, that's not fair.
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