dark_gh0st_b0y said:
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"of course they can, but the reason you underestimate the impact of religion this much is first because you take Jesus teachings for granted/common sense and do not realize the impact they had/have in the world, and second because you as an individual do not need it (I was actually atheist until the age of 25!), religion is the strongest long-term mental help one can have - if done right of course - and scientific studies prove just that!! less religious West Europe countries have higher depression rates than more religious East Europe countries even though they are richer! "
Wow... religion is the longest term mental health you can have? That's a pretty bold statement, and I'll need an actual source on that. And differences in depression between Eastern and Western Europe would not cut it. Too many other factors at play besides religiosity. For one thing, how depression is diagnosed varies widely from country to country.
of course!! there wouldn't be video games without scientific progress :P the point is that science does not disprove Christianity, therefore there is no damn reason to compare the two, and second, science can cure the body in most cases, but not the mind!! Christianity in its true and pure form can heal the soul
You're saying Christianity can heal the mind, which is another thing that would have to be proved. I know of people who claim that religion helps them, and also know and know of plenty of people who feel their lives have been destroyed by religion. As for the soul, there is no evidence any such thing exists.
And, actually I think the scientific method when applied correctly disproves at the very least a literal interpretation of the bible.
did you know that there is a 40% increase in cheating related murders since the 90s? this is because as people get less religious, the 6th commandment that forbids cheating is violated!! more divorces, more kids growing up not in a normal family, more mental problems... this is just one example of how the collapse of Christianity will vanish values, and lead to a more 'anything goes' society of mental problems, no thanks :/
Source please? I don't know if that's true. And even if it is, how did you determine it has anything to do with religion? Are these murders committed by non-religious people?
Studies show in religious countries, that the religious tend to be more happy than non-religious people... yet this doesn't hold in non-religious countries. Have you considered that being part of a majority is part of what makes religious people happier than others? They are not subjected to the same social pressures, do not risk being outcast based on their beliefs, etc.
And, their happiness may very well come at the expense of the non-religious. Slave owners were, I imagine, much happier than the slaves. That doesn't mean slavery was beneficial to society as a whole.
And studies I've seen consistently show that life tends to be better in secular democracies than in Christian democracies. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-secular-life/201410/secular-societies-fare-better-religious-societies
https://www.christiantoday.com/article/10-happiest-countries-in-the-world-are-among-the-least-religious/127465.htm
To be fair, the main thing that seems to make people happier in those countries is a strong social safety net. But, it seems to show that it's quite possible to lose religion while increasing well being and happiness. Also note that those countries tend to have far less violent crime than the US as well. So society won't crumble without jesus.
very true!! there is nothing in Christianity that orders anyone to do anything bad either, the opposite, it is asking us to not bear a grudge and forgive as much as we can, what a great way to relief your mind from pointless hate and trouble
Well, no... Christianity orders you to kill...
Gay People: "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
Rebellious Sons: "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."
Apostates: "If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that . . . hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; . . .Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die."
Women who have had premarital sex (no matter if they were raped) ". . .If, however, this charge is true, that evidence of the young woman’s virginity was not found, then they shall bring the young woman out to the entrance of her father’s house and the men of her town shall stone her to death,"
Rape victims who don't yell loud enough: "If there is a girl who is a virgin engaged to a man, and another man finds her in the city and lies with her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city and you shall stone them to death; the girl, because she did not cry out in the city ."
Blasphemers: "And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death."
That's all pretty terrible things that the bible commands people to do. It seems you read the cliff notes versions. There are way more than 10 commandments.
in which source material does Christianity support misogyny and slavery? this is very wrong... homosexuality issue is only 5% of the population, so it is a side effect, I need to do more research on it to be fair, but it is not mentioned in the ten commandments, therefore LGBT is not a big sin at all... cheating on your wife/husband is much much worse
Homosexuality is a pretty serious sin in Christianity since you're supposed to stone people to death for it. The same penalty as that for adultery btw. Whether or not it's a direct or side effect has nothing to do with how many people it effects. It's a direct effect because the bible tells people to do it.
As for slavery, see Exodus 21 for rules on Jewish slaves. Leviticus 25 for rules on foreign slaves.
For misogyny, Exodus 21 allows a father to sell his daughter as a slave, but he can't sell his son. If a woman is not a virgin when she's married, she can be stoned to death. A woman who is raped can be forced to marry her rapist, if her father agrees to it. She has no say. A woman having her period is considered "unclean" and is supposed to be sequestered throughout.
Then in the New Testament,
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.
-1 Corinthians 14:34
“Let a woman learn in silence and full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to be silent”
-1 Timothy 2:11
which is why I am against Islam spreading in Christian countries
and as a side note, the current generation has grown up being told that previous generations were being brainwashed to believe in Jesus, and now they think they are special and rebels by not doing so
this is laughable, cause they have grown up being fed with propaganda, see the good in everything except Christianity which they attack brutally but defend Muslims like there is no tomorrow, wtf is wrong with people
things have changed, the real rebels now are those who keep their faith and values against all the useless crap being forced onto us 24/7, see the good in everything and appreciate that we live in Jesus inspired countries above all
there is statistically increasing depression in young people, even though they have all they need to be happy, they have science and technology but it's never enough
I'm against Islam spreading in any country, even Islamic ones. I would generally agree that Islam, as it is practiced, is more dangerous than christianity globally... but since this topic wasn't asking why Mohammed sacrificed himself for me, it's entirely irrelevant.
As for whether or not people are brainwashed, yeah they are. Because there is not a good reason to believe in Jesus. If you have one, feel free to present it.
