dark_gh0st_b0y said:
Pemalite said:
Say what?
Science has existed before modern man, while we were still in caves and discovered primitive tools and fire, before we could form coherent sentences and speech, to even comprehend any religious doctrine.
That pegs it to about 1,000,000 years or more. Minimum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_of_fire_by_early_humans
The Christian Religion? (Which is written on paper... A scientific invention...) was 6,000 years ago.
HMMM. Science > Religion.
The Aboriginals of Australia have existed for about 50,000-125,000 years and are genuinely an ancient civilization... It makes your Religion seem new by comparison... Almost like it was invented?
https://www.oldest.org/culture/civilizations/
Better without religion.
We probably wouldn't have had the crusades that wiped out millions.
We probably wouldn't have burned witches at the stake.
We probably wouldn't have attacked the LGBTQI community for thousands if years.
And we wouldn't have science deniers. - Flat Earthers will often reference the Bible to justify their flat-earth beliefs... Others use the Bible to deny evolution and basic geological factoids.
We wouldn't have terrorists who use Religion to kill people today.
So you can bet I stand by the belief we would be better off without religion.
There is no evidence that any of the spiritual hocus-pocus exists... So religion being based on that is irrelevant.
Movies, TV Shows, Books etc' that are fictional are ADVERTISED and KNOWN to be fictional... People aren't trying to pass something off like Independence Day as something that actually occurred in human history like Religion.
So no... They aren't a joke to a free thinking individual.
I disagree that everyone is born selfish and greedy.
Doesn't make indoctrination right.
My position is... That religion is a joke... And should be totally shut down from top to bottom until they can prove their assertions.
Of course fear, control, power and money were the drivers.
Christianity pretty much has a "storefront" in every single town, in every single suburb, in every single city, in every single state, in every single country on every single continent of Planet Earth.
They then have individuals walking around every sunday asking for donations/money.
They have massive influence in our political structure across the planet, even the educational systems.
Christianity uses the fear of death and torture to indoctrinate people into it's religion.
As for religious wars... Here is some reading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
I have provided plenty of examples prior in this thread where Christianity and Islam are not to dissimilar.
Islam is based upon the Bibles Old-Testament teachings... In that, both religions are absolutely similar... And before you say "That is old testament". - I shouldn't need to remind you that there are plenty of Christian denominations that stand by the old testament 100%.
Nor should I need to remind you of New Testament scripture that points to the Old Testament as still being binding.
In-fact... The Bible is a horrific and evil book from start to finish.
Have a read: https://www.evilbible.com/
False. And an apologetic perspective.
Science pretty much refutes the ENTIRE genesis account.
Everyone is born atheist.
Science isn't the cause of climate change, obviously your definition of science actually differs from what it actually is.
Science is an explanation of the nature world.
Cancer has always existed, it's a biological issue.
  
    
Miracle testimonies are bullshit. - And are thus not evidence.
I can get testimonies of people who have seen the Earth is flat.
You can explain colour to a blind person, the imagination doesn't stop you know, colour doesn't have to be visual.
And yes you are right... Heaven is a feel-good scenario where a mass-murderer, mass-rapist, pedophiles and so on can "apologize" and get accepted into heaven to live a life of luxury...
Yet a first responder who might have saved thousands of lives might get eternal damnation.
I can see how fair that is. Completely. Yep. Totally.
       
  
    
  
    
       
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Christianity uses the fear of death and torture to indoctrinate people into it's religion.
not always, but those who do it is very wrong, that I agree
Science isn't the cause of climate change, obviously your definition of science actually differs from what it actually is. Science is an explanation of the nature world. Cancer has always existed, it's a biological issue.
excuse me? then religion is faith into a higher deity...! what bias, do we take the side-effects of both or we don't? if you criticize religion used in the wrong way you must also criticize science used in the wrong way, or you have no argument-
there are substances we take in and forms of radiation that did not exist before that are proved to cause cancer, tons of them, otherwise cancer would be very rare
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Science (or rather the findings of science) and religion can both lead to bad consequences if misapplied. The difference is the necessity of each.
Science leads to incredibly positive changes for society (vaccines, antiseptics, psychological breakthroughs, food production, etc.) that cannot be gained through other means. Sacrificing all of the benefits to eliminate the potential harms would be a devastating loss for society.
While religion can also lead to benefits (community, charity), these are benefits that we can have without religion. Studies done on religiosity and quality of life indicate that we can abandon religion without losing very much, and doing so would rid of a lot harm.
I'd also say there is an important distinction between side effects and primary effects.
If we take for instance Christianity, misogyny, prejudice against homosexuality, support of slavery, and so on are not side effects of religion. They are accurate interpretations of the source material itself. For example, there is a specific commandment to kill a man who lies with another man. This isn't a side effect, it's a primary effect.
On the other hand, science is just a method of finding the most accurate model of reality. Science for instance finds that we can split atoms and create huge amounts of energy by doing so. However, there is nothing about the scientific method that commands us to use this knowledge to create bombs and kill people.
In other words, science only tells us what we can do. We can then decide to do evil things. Religion on the other hand (at least certain ones) actually tells us to do evil things.
