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sundin13 said:
Eagle367 said:

Biden has lied like Obama lied when he was running. Can't trust these people. Obama ran as a progressive and didn't lead the country that way. Biden will be far more right if he becomes president.

Thats how government works, bro. This isn't a dictatorship. Especially when you don't have Congress, you need to negotiate to get people on board. Depending on where your policies lie, often that means pivoting towards the center. The exact same thing would happen under a Bernie presidency, assuming he actually got anything passed.

As for the rest, it is up to the voters and our representatives to hold him accountable. Again, if the progressive wing of the party is as active and as powerful as they are at their best, Biden and the party will be forced to the left. If the progressive wing of the party doesn't fucking show, then they aren't going to be around to have a voice at the table.

That's demonstrably not true. Republicans never move to the center. They just keep dragging the Dems to the right. That's why the population is much more to the left than both parties. Conservatives who aren't establishment are more left than they realise and so are the liberals and moderates. The simple reason why democrats move to the "center" which is actually the right is because the Democrats don't really care and are more right wing than they say. Also there is a difference between negociating and just completely conceding to whatever the other party wants.

I can guarantee you a Bernie Sanders admin won't be like that and "move to the center" aka move to the right. Obama didn't even try fighting for these things in any real way and Biden won't either. Pelosi didn't negotiate with trump and use the military budget to do anything good for example, she just approved it as is. Republicans never do that for left policies. It shows you the republicans are actually conservatives while democrats are much more right wing that they portray themselves as.



Just a guy who doesn't want to be bored. Also