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gergroy on 12 March 2020
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thismeintiel said:
Eagle367 said:

You are the prime example of why Joe will lose. He has no chance of expanding his base. The democrats that will vote for Joe will also vote for Bernie, just like Clinton. The republicans will vote for Trump over Joe, like you are and just like Clinton. If anyone has a ceiling, it's a moderate corporatist democrat. The imaginary conservative democrat voter doesn't exist and there's no use going there. The aim is to get people to vote who don't. And those are the people Bernie does best with, whether the youth or the independents. That's why I said to mobilize and drag the youth to vote because they have become too apathetic to all parties. They believe the DNC will rig it anyways so what's the use anyways. But if Bernie wins the primaries, they are much more likely to come out and vote in the general than the primaries. 

The best chance of beating Trump is Bernie. Trump can beat Bernie but it's harder for him. Trump can more easily beat Joe. 

I think one of the Dems biggest obstacles, one that isn't talked about very often, is going to be the former Never-Trumpers.  The ones who either stayed home on election day or voted 3rd party as a protest vote.  If you look at the Libertarian Party, they went from 1.28M votes in 2012 to 4.49M votes in 2016, an increase of 3.21M.  And Evan McMullin, who ran solely as an alternative to Trump for the Center-Right/Right, received 732K votes.  That could very well be a gain of almost 4M votes for Trump this time around.  And even higher if we take into account the ones that didn't show last time.

I can also see morale taking a hit when Biden inevitably has a few poor showings at the debates leading up to Nov.  He's having trouble in situations that should be safe and comfortable for him.  Can't imagine what it will be like when Trump rattles his cage a little.

I would probably be one that is classified as a never trumper.  I tend to be pretty centrist, but skew more right than left.  I voted for McMullen in the last election.  I plan to vote for Biden this time.  I would probably vote for sanders too I guess, but I would have a much harder time doing so.  I don’t like that he doesn’t have any specific plan to pay for his proposals. At least warren had a ton of specifics, I could have gotten behind her as a liberal option.  Sanders would just produce 4 years of gridlock in Washington... which already has a difficult time doing it’s job...  still 4 years of sanders is better than 4 years of trump!