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SpokenTruth said:
Nuvendil said:

I just hope when I do, we can have a dialogue.  I think there's a LOT that we need to fix, but I think the "revolution or status quo" dichotomy I'm seeing build up is obscuringmany potential options.

For the most part, we've had some solid dialogues in the more serious threads. The tone that gets set by the first post is often the tone that carries through the rest of the thread...mostly.  If you can set the narrative as one of constructive discourse, they'll be great threads.

Also, are you familiar with the concept of overshooting?  If follows that you shoot for the stars but if you only hit the moon, that's great too.  A lot of Sanders plans were a reach but they did move the public discussion further left overall such that even if we can't get the stars, we might still get the moon. 

Actually, partial achievement is what worries me most with plans like Sanders.  It can result in the worst of all worlds.  If you are lucky, you get some perks.  Often it's judt a massive expansion of bureaucracy.  The issue isn't the ambition, it's the structure.  That and it actively avoids addressing certain issues that will cripple the whole thing in some areas.  But anyway, definitely feeling like making the threads now :P