peachbuggy said:
src said:
Agree with both of you.
Sony has become the market leader with revenue bigger than both Nintendo and Xbox combined. This means a massive amount of third party game sales are made only on their platform.
Their first party has pretty much reached Nintendo levels:
TLoU, UC4 -> 17 million+
Spiderman -> 13.2 million+ (Spiderman is prob reaching 16-20 million)
GOW, HZD -> 10 million+ (GOW is prob reaching 15 million)
Would not be surprised if Sony ends the gen with two 20 million sellers (TLoU II, TLoU/Spiderman)
Combined with their margins increasing with digital rising, Sony's profitability has reached new highs. I don't think Nintendo or Xbox are at a position to overthrow Sony's lead at the moment. While the SW is doing great, its going to be peaking soon, and its software sales and digital storefront are dwarfed by Playstation. MS simply don't have the brand to compete with PS worldwide, their first party is considerably weaker and they've lost a massive part i third party sales due to hardware sales being so weak. |
Yes, sure, Sony's 1st party games can reach Nintendo levels. As long as they continue literally giving them away!
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Too bad for you, Nintendo also bundle so many of their games.
RolStoppable said:
src said:
Completely wrong.
The console business entails hardware sales, software sales, digital sales, subscription services and peripherals. Revenue has nearly always been the go to number to observe how much of a market a business captures, hence why we define markets by their gross worth.
I've already mentioned the Uber, Netflix, Amazon comparison to which you have no answer.
The only reason you don't want to admit this is because Nintendo gets absolutely destroyed by Playstation in revenue.
Even your claim about profit was wrong considering Playstation had considerably better profits than Nintendo last year, and presumably the years before that with the PS4.
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The reason why revenue doesn't work as the metric to determine market leadership in the console business is because you quickly face the situation that Microsoft would have to be recognized as the #2 in the business on occasion despite Nintendo actually being clearly more popular than them. So if you continued to use revenue as the primary metric, you'd inevitably make yourself look ridiculous because you'd go against all common sense.
Console sales will always be the metric to determine who is the market leader in the console business, because unlike revenue, they actually tell us how many costumers there are.
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One important thing I want to say at this point is that people in this thread don't seem to understand why Sony's profits increased by so much with the PS4. It's not because of digital game sales or first party game sales on the whole or overall software sales. It's because of PS+ subscriptions, because they account for the lion share of the PS division's profits. PS+ subscriptions are the biggest factor by far, yet people don't mention them.
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Completely wrong lmao
We've already been through the revenue thing with Amazon, Uber etc. Just because you aren't willing to accept doesn't invalidate it. MS gaming division prob includes all their PC and mobile stuff as well, and yeah they have a fair amount of the market because they sell a lot of third party software.
